Fellowship in the Household of Faith
06/29/2013
BELIEVER 1: now there appeared in the garden one day a serpent who had
come to tempt Adam and Eve. He was very clever. One day he found Eve alone in
the garden near the forbidden tree, and he spoke, "did God really say to
not eat from any tree in the garden?" Eve said to the serpent, "we
may eat the fruit of every tree in this garden except this one, for God has
warned us. He said, 'do not eat this fruit, or even touch it or you will
die.'"
BELIEVER 6: what is the tree that the Lord has forbidden to eat?
BELIEVER 2: the tree of knowledge, no, the tree of good and evil.
BELIEVER 6: the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and what is the
meaning of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil BELIEVER 2? Are the good
things evil. (BELIEVER 1: No). Yes it's evil. You don't feel that the good
things are evil and God hasn't commanded to eat it, even though you do good
things. It's evil. This is what we talked with BELIEVER 7, because most
Christians try to do good things, but in his own strength. If we do good things
in our own strength, it is evil.
BELIEVER 2: bless the Lord all my soul and forget not all His benefits. I will bless You oh Lord. When I think of You
my spirit leaps for joy, I could never forget all You have done for me. You
rescued me from the devil, You forgave all my sins. You healed me whenever I
got sick. You keep me from harm. You crown me with Your lovingkindness. Thank You
Lord, I will rejoice in You forever.
BELIEVER 6: BELIEVER 2, how does this happen? Anyone has a chance to
flow of how this happens? This is my question for the kids or for anyone who
feels like a kid.
BELIEVER 5: well it doesn't start with us. That is step one.
BELIEVER 6: well I'm going to say something. When we talk about,
"bless the Lord all my soul," we are asking for the Lord to redeem
our soul. Because in a moment that the Lord redeems our thoughts, our feelings,
our emotions, we immediately know that we cannot forget all His benefits,
because we receive His Spirit. And the Spirit Changes all things. And then we
can say, "I will bless you oh Lord," because we are in the Spirit.
When it says, "when I think of you," we know that we have the mind of
Christ. We cannot think without the Father, we cannot think without His life.
If it is not by the Spirit I do not think about Him, but I say my spirit leaps
for joy. If we keep going with the Lord we are one spirit. "I could never
forget all You have done for me." Well, immediately when we are in the Spirit
we cannot forget that we are sitting at the right hand of God with Him, with
the Saints in glory. It is not only with one, it is with all. If we are sitting
in the heavenlies, we are already rescued from the devil. He has already dealt
with our sins (Already, it's over). We are already healed from our sicknesses
(Already, Hallelujah). And then when we are sitting with Him, we are crowned
with His lovingkindness and His righteousness. Thank you Lord. Lord, we will
rejoice in you forever. This is an eternal abode for us. BELIEVER 2, you know
how wonderful He is if we allow Him to go deep? Christ is our food, our bread,
our everything. Amen.
BELIEVER 7: thank You Lord for Your Spirit. It causes us to forget
anything that we need to forget, and causes us to remember everything that we
need to remember. Hallelujah
BELIEVER 4: 2 Peter 3: 8-18
"8 But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is
like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day. 9 The
Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is
being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants
everyone to repent. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a
thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very
elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it
will be found to deserve judgment.
11 Since everything around us is going to be destroyed like this, what
holy and godly lives you should live, 12 looking forward to the day of God and
hurrying it along. On that day, he will set the heavens on fire, and the
elements will melt away in the flames. 13 But we are looking forward to the new
heavens and new earth he has promised, a world filled with God’s righteousness.
14 And so, dear friends, while you are waiting for these things to
happen, make every effort to be found living peaceful lives that are pure and
blameless in his sight.
15 And remember, our Lord’s patience gives people time to be saved. This
is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave
him— 16 speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments
are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted
his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts
of Scripture. And this will result in their destruction.
17 I am warning you ahead of time, dear friends. Be on guard so that you
will not be carried away by the errors of these wicked people and lose your own
secure footing. 18 Rather, you must grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord
and Savior Jesus Christ. All glory to
him, both now and forever! Amen."
Did you understand what that was saying, that was a lot to read. The
main one that I wanted to bring up is where it says, "God's time is not
our time." Sometimes you think He is being slow to keep our promises but He
is not. Like He was with Abraham, Abraham was complaining to God. He is saying,
"why aren't You answering our prayers, You told me this, You told me that,
but You’re not answering
them." But, it wasn't that God wasn't answering them, it was that it was
in his own time. And God does things in His own time. So when we pray for does
seem, the correct things, things that we know are righteous, we need to know
that it will be answered, but in God's time, not our time.
BELIEVER 5: you brought up the example of Abraham.
BELIEVER 6: the point BELIEVER 4 put on the table tonight is really good
because we are talking about the father of our faith, how everything was put to
test when he believed in God. In his timing, of course he received a blessing
in the inheritance of his sead filling the earth. But this is where we need to
open ourselves to know what the Lord wants to do with us, with any one of us.
Because I remember some promise of the Lord that we believe, and sometimes we
end up saying, "where is it Lord? Where is what You promise?" And we
start to have struggles, and sometimes we try to go away, or tried to involve
our own hands to survive, and in the Lord shows things in a different way. And
we see by the Spirit that things, we are going to see what He wants. But it is
completely different because our thoughts go completely in the other direction
of His thoughts. So if we have His mind everything is really good, really
really good.
BELIEVER 7: and
what a mind! That is a mind that is present with the Father, and it is a mind
that is present in fellowship, and it understands the victory. This is
wonderful. And he just says to just let, "let this mind be in you, which
was also in Christ Jesus." It is like getting a crown, hallelujah.
BELIEVER 6: we really enjoyed with the Lord started to open up the last
meeting together, so I have a burden from the Lord with what the Lord opened up
the other day, so I would like to continue with what the Lord opened the other
day because it is really good. You put on the table BELIEVER 9, and I really
enjoyed it, because the body of Christ needs a lot of [understanding] so that
we are sitting on the right ground.
BELIEVER 5: last time we were talking about, what was it, [in
simplicity] we were talking about justification of life. We ended up talking
about that from, were first we started dealing with unforgiveness, and the
problem that we have for many years experience to really experience being able
to forgive people. Then we kind of brought up, or BELIEVER 9 was talking about
how people seek to be right with man, and not necessarily seeking the
righteousness of God. And then that led us to a discussion where BELIEVER 7 brought
up some points about not is having our sins forgiven, like taking care of the
negative problems, but actually like where it says in Romans 5:18,
".......
BELIEVER 6: thank you all in this night having that peace to keep going
on this point because I enjoyed how BELIEVER 9 the last meeting opened up and
said, "I am just going to stay for half an hour, and then we touched this
point, that I feel is really important to touch, and other words the Lord has a
chance to work. And I feel that I have almost not slept this week, because of
the brother and sister [who went to Ecuador], and I feel I needed to excuse
myself from keep going in the meetings, but I feel if the brothers feel this
point is crucial, because many people of the body of Christ is in bondage
regarding this kind of circumstance.
BELIEVER 5: so we have here in Romans 5:18,
"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to
condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all
men unto justification of life."So then as it was through one offense unto
condemnation to all men, so also it was through one righteous act unto
justification of life to all men."
And then we have in Ephesians
2:10,
"For we are His masterpiece,
created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand in order
that we would walk in them."
BELIEVER 7: that is awesome. What a wonderful preparation, huh?
BELIEVER 6: do you feel BELIEVER 5 or BELIEVER 7 to open up more with
what we opened up the other day?
BELIEVER 7: well yeah, I was just kind of being quiet. I certainly have
some life of the Lord on this.
BELIEVER 5: let me share a little bit. What I'm getting ready to share
comes from a fellowship that we had in Mexico, about two years ago. When this
brother were sharing on the works prepared beforehand. He talk first about how
Christ becomes our righteousness, sanctification, and redemption. And that we
can't sanctify ourselves, like we might think by self effort, because...."no one will glory in His presence. He is the One who saves, by faith, and He
prepared works beforehand in Yahshua, so that we would walk in them. Beloved, in Him we are complete. In Yahshua we are complete. We don’t need self-initiative;
self-initiative is satanic.
Self-initiative was awakened within man when Adam and Eve ate of the
devil. Because when they ate of the tree
of knowledge, what they really ate was Satan.
If they would have eaten the tree of Life they would have eaten Yahshua,
and with Him all the works prepared beforehand, so that the redeemed would
produce absolutely nothing by their own initiative. Let us turn to 1 Corinthians 1:29-31,
“so that no one might boast in His presence. And because of Him you are in the Messiah
Yahshua, who became to us wisdom from Elohim, righteousness and sanctification
and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in
the Lord.”
He is who saves, and He is also the One who prepared works beforehand
so that we might walk in them. It is not
possible that we try to overcome Satan and the demons, as if the Lord had not
overcome them already on the cross."
BELIEVER 7: BELIEVER 5, how did you find that?
BELIEVER 5: that was transcribed by me from recording.
BELIEVER 6: yeah but, how did you remember that to find it and share
it with us.
BELIEVER 5: because the fellowship was really good, and I remembered
it.
BELIEVER 7: you remembered by the Spirit? It was the Lord?
BELIEVER 5: it was the Lord.
BELIEVER 7: that is wonderful.
BELIEVER 5: it was in Spanish but it was the Lord.
BELIEVER 7: hallelujah. The Lord can speak in tongues and remember in
tongues.
(the sisters asked for the scripture on this)
BELIEVER 5: well there is one about the works prepared beforehand, that
was in Ephesians 2:10. And then there is another one, 1 Corinthians 1:29.
BELIEVER 7: and then there's another one in I think Hebrews 4:3, where
it talks about these works were finished from before the foundation of the
world.
"or we who have believed enter into the rest, even as He has said,
"As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter into My rest!'' although the
works of creation were completed from the foundation of the world."
Because in Hebrews he is talking to the Jews entering into rest. And it
is like, how can people enter into rest unless the work was done? So if the
work is done there is nothing to do, And people can end up entering into rest.
But if they don't have Christ, if they don't have His Spirit, they don't have
the finished work, they don't have the works that are finished. And they would
have to do something, they think that they would have to do something. So what
a trick.
BELIEVER 4: the devil isn't it. He tells us that we have to do stuff to
be saved, but we don't.
BELIEVER 6: all the time, the devil tries to deceive us all the time.
BELIEVER 4: if you look at the ending part of verse three it says,
"even though this rest has been made ready since He made the
world..." I don't know if you remember, but in the creation story there
wasn't evening and morning on the seventh day. The seven they never ended which
was the day of rest. So the day of rest was always there. So that is why it
says that He made it from the beginning of the world, it has always been there.
It's just that people need Christ to show them. The seven they never ended
because it was supposed to be an eternal rest, so God did have this rest ready
from the beginning of the world, but when sin came into the world it was
inaccessible to us until Christ made it accessible, because He became our rest.
BELIEVER 6: let me share something for the brothers and sisters and how
the Lord is starting to use BELIEVER 4 too, because he is touching something of
the Spirit. Father, help us tonight and things that we are touching because it
is really good. Thank You, for BELIEVER 5 putting on the table something that
went on in Mexico, and in the fellowship, and BELIEVER 4 put another Scripture,
and BELIEVER 7 put. Thank You for the sisters, and thank You for how You open
up all of our hearts and enlighten us by the Spirit. Help us tonight to allow
the flow of River of life to go everywhere in the city, and everyone of us.
Thank you Father. What I have a chance to say to clarify what BELIEVER 5
has put on the table, if we really allow the Lord to work in us more, and more,
and more, the Lord is not only going to take us outside of the camp in the
spirit, the Lord is going to take us in the physical dealing with
everyone, with the seeking ones who are seeking the Lord so that He can become
all in all. But concerning this kind of process, if we see naturally we
don't agree, because we want some things of the old man. BELIEVER 4 said,
"well, the devil betrays us." Of course a betrays us all the
time. And we, when we use our mind, we
try to find out the way to understand with our mind words which are spiritual,
and we don't have a clue. I remember when this fellowship was opened up in
Mexico, and we interacted with a brother named Leo, and we interacted how this
is going to go through [become real in our experience]. Christ Himself is all, and the one who
did everything for us. Concerning the works that he prepared beforehand for us,
that we just need to walk in, but walking in them means that we need to walk in
the same way that He walked, in other words the same relationship with the Father
that Jesus has, we need to have. It is not just that Jesus says, "walk in
what I prepared." But He says, "hey, I have given My life to you. I have given My life to you. You can walk to the Father
because you have My life in
you." In other words you can return, and you can do everything in
dependence on the Father, the same that I do." But normally we depend upon
our reasons, our neighbors, upon other believers, and not depend upon God
Almighty, and not depend upon the Spirit. I'm going to share something
concerning the fellowship that we had some brothers last Sunday in Beltsville.
The Lord allow to be connected by the Spirit with the same Scripture, and the
same life. A sister told me later, how this is so wonderful, that we go by the
same spirit to the same point. Because it is just one word of God, it is just
one living Lord, it is just one Father. But we try to figure out the Scripture
in our own strength and we do not have a clue. So I remember that in this
fellowship [in Mexico] we integrated into different places, because on one side
some brothers were from Mexico, some brothers are from the United States, some
other brothers were from another part of South America, and another brothers in
Baltimore, but all are connected by the same Spirit. So be connected by the
same Spirit is one brother in Baltimore, some sisters are in Indiana, some
brothers right now are in Ecuador, and other brothers are in Hyattsville. And BELIEVER
4 is here for the second time, and sometimes he wants to do with the Scripture,
and other times he wants to play with the phone for different things, but he
has a chance to do two things at the same time, but we are going to say well,
how does this guy handle this? Why Lord you use them in this way? So our
thoughts are flowing all the time, but we just need to allow the Spirit to go
through. To go through to the point that is really to understand what the body
of Christ needs, the same that BELIEVER 9 said the last week, the problem is
that many are dealing with these kind of things, good works, with good things,
with good, with what we need to be righteous.... All this is because of the
lack of a relationship with our Father by the Spirit. But this kind of
relationship only increases if we really open ourselves, if when we really
say, "Jesus come to my heart,"
but I don't hear the people say, "Jesus, take all that is in my
heart." We don't want to give all. I remember the last Sunday, BELIEVER 8
said, "well, we are opposed to the Lord taking all." Some people say,
"well, I want Him to take all." But in reality they do not know the
meaning of "all." It means that we experience difficulties, and we
experienced some things being very hard. Today when BELIEVER 4 arrived here, and BELIEVER 1, were
watching a little bit of the movie Abraham. BELIEVER 3 said, "I have
already watched this movie." And we're talking about what is going on with
Abraham in the moment that he obeyed God, and he went to the desert, because
all of our old creation needs to go and be cut off in the things of the Lord
wants. But do we really want that. I don't want it. I'm going to be honest in
the meeting and say, "brothers, I don't want [the Lord to have] all."
But the Spirit in me, the life of Christ in me wants it. But in myself,
I don't want. But if we are united by this life and the spirit... I remember
when we were with the sisters in Indiana one year and a half ago, I really
enjoyed [the fellowship] and said, "well, if the Lord allows it we're
going to be with you again." But they said, "how, maybe we are not
going to see you again?" But the Lord allowed it, and the Lord allow that
this kind of relationship grow, no matter what the ages, no matter how old we
are. In other words we just say that God is working in a God is moving. If we
just allow the Lord to do what He wants, it is the same where it says, " He
desires to bring many sons into glory." But how does he introduce many
sons and glory? Does He bring them at once? Yes, He already did it. But he
needs to be a reality, physical, now. You need to know the you are with Him.
Because every day, what is the test of our faith, BELIEVER 4 went to 2 Peter,
and said that all material is going to be tested by fire... In other words, who
really desires that all of our works, all that we have to be melted? If I say
to BELIEVER 3, do you want to test how much of Christ that you have and be
melted? He is going to say, "Lord, not yet Lord." [It would probably
be the same for any person here]. But if we does ask Him to increase, and have His
lovingkindness, this agape love, in the way that He wants, this is the love
that we start to experience between one another when I say, well, sisters I
don't have the strength to keep going, I want to.... But this kind of love, if
we are share it with one another [now], how are we going to share it in
eternity with the Father of our spirit? This is just a start brothers. At this
point that BELIEVER 9 put is really good. It is like seeing a movie from
heaven, and saying, this is what is happening on the earth right now. And the
movie is not pleasant; you feel that what is going on here is crazy. But the
Lord says, "hey, you see this movie, but watch My movie. Watch what I did in eternity, and just play what
I have already told you what you need to play." But to play this would
need to realize that all are against it, like it says in Matthew that all are
against what the Lord wants. But he is the Lord of the impossible. What do you
remember BELIEVER 9 when we started the fellowship, you said, "what are we
going to have fellowship with this, how are we going to have fellowship with
that...." I said, "allow the Lord to be Lord." This fellowship
in Mexico was not an easy fellowship, because the brother put everything that
he had in the storage of his heart, and we put everything we have in the
[heart]. This is what the Lord wants. So when we put everything, what is the
result of putting everything in the table? It is a wonderful feast, it is a
wonderful meal. But if we don't have good treasures in our heart, if we don't
have Christ in our heart, how are we going to enjoy this meal? It is
impossible. We are going to enjoy snacks or whatever, but we are not going to
enjoy what is really good, which is Christ in you, and me, and anyone... The
hope of glory.
BELIEVER 7: this is so amazing because, we wonder, "well, where do
we really need, where does this happen?" And it happens when he is
everything, and then we are nothing. That is where it happens. He is the Lord,
but we need to make in the Lord. If we do not make him the Lord, he will not be
the Lord even though he is the Lord. So I really enjoyed it was opened up this
evening, and just praising the Father, and for everything else to be gone.
BELIEVER 6: for example, tonight the Lord has given the blessing that
all the Fellowship be in English. So we don't need a translation for tonight,
maybe we need to translate the fellowship later, but we pray for our brothers
and sisters and say....BELIEVER 9 asked me, "how did the brothers
arrive?" Well the brothers experienced difficulty, a difficult trip to
arrive to Ecuador because the brothers went on different trips, one spent 12
hours, the other spent 24 hours. But what I know is that the Father wants a
harvest. It doesn't matter the amount how long we spend to get mature, or be a
part of the harvest of the first fruit. What counts is, "can you help us
Lord to be a part of You, no matter what, whatever you need to do now or
later?" Because sometimes we believe, "no, we can do it now. We can
do it now." And all the time "we can do it now" we start to do
our works, and not His works. Waiting on Him is one of the most difficult
things ever. We cannot push Him to do it now.
BELIEVER 5: we can do it now, neither we can do it later either.
BELIEVER 6: but this is the promise, the promise that he is going to
have mature sons. And I take the word of BELIEVER 9 and BELIEVER 10, if we are
truly honest with the Lord and say, "Lord, I did my best, I surrendered...
I am nothing." We know that he is faithful, we know. That is not just a
thought, WE KNOW. And this is where the tears come out because we know that
even that when we are unfaithful, He is faithful. This is huge.
BELIEVER 7: and when we are talking like this, you know it says in 2
Corinthians where it says, "and all the promises of God in Him are you
yea, and Amen."
BELIEVER 6: I remember one thing because you said all the promises of
God, the Lord start to the promise, we are members of the body, and we are just
one loaf, one bread, and they're all partakers of the same thing. I remember
what happened last week with BELIEVER 9, and I share this because BELIEVER 10
right now is in the fellowship, when BELIEVER 9 said, "is it okay for me
to share, is it okay this, that." In other words, and his love she humbled
herself, and she put everything on the table." Well for me it is amazing
because this kind of love of Christ, where no one feels that he is anything
himself like you see in Romans 12, in other words just allow Him to do
everything. In other words when we truly open ourselves to keep enjoying this
Christ we are going to know, not just we are going to think, not just we are
going to have the revelation, we are going to know the hidden mystery which is
Christ in us. In other words, this kind of humility that the Lord puts in us to
surrender to one another in love, this kind of love that puts on the table
everything, and we don't come to say, "who's going to share this, or who
is going to share that." We just come and say, well whatever the Spirit wants
to do. And this is what we need. And even though we don't have fellowship with BELIEVER
9 about these kind of things, just how she puts these things on the table, she
says I enjoyed more and more how the fellowship opens up between us. But I'm
going to say that it is not just that she enjoys more and more of us, but that
she enjoys more and more Christ working in one another by the same Spirit. In
other words she enjoys this life that gives us the ability to work together. In
other words brothers and sisters, this precious Christ that the Lord is starting
to open to know Him and the power of His resurrection when we die, die to
ourselves, died to the flesh., died to all what we want. It is so powerful....
BELIEVER 7: and BELIEVER 6, isn't this something that it is His spirit
that gives us the power to die. Isn't this wonderful that we can even do that,
because it is actually Him doing through us, in us, as us. What a work, huh?
What a work!
BELIEVER 6: you tell me that by the spirit of life we can enjoy death
and resurrection?
BELIEVER 7: this is wonderful, this is such good news, this is good
news.
BELIEVER 3: John 6:63, "the words that I speak to you are spirit
and they are life." This life is a very vast life. It reaches into God's
great purpose, and we are a part of it. We are the called according to His purpose,
we want to know the purpose. We want to know our place in the purpose. We want
to know our faculties and our functions.
BELIEVER 6: this is what it is all about. We need to know how we share
this life, how we enjoy this life. Our vessels need to be full. We need to be
full of Him, full of the Spirit. And then what happens? The cup overflows. The
cup overflows, and overflows with this life of the Father in the Son by the Spirit.
BELIEVER 3: this is not by studying what they are but by being in life.
So it is saying that basically I knowledge and human works or whatever we do,
what we think is correct, may not be correct because we don't need to consult
with our brain. We just need to let the Lord work. And it is like spiritual
reading in other words, we just allow things to happen spontaneously. We do not
plan to follow the work of God, you just do it. You need to allow the Lord, you
need to give the Lord a place where He can walk in you and where He can be the
one guiding you. To walk with God is to accept the things of God and not be
guided completely by religious things. But there is a price attached to this:
misunderstanding and loneliness. (That is quite a price)
BELIEVER 6: thank you for your people being honest, and saying that they
do not want to be lonely.
BELIEVER 7: are we willing to pay the price of identification?
BELIEVER 5: like the dead old man is the one who says those things (I
don't want to be lonely).
BELIEVER 3: but if you are open to the Lord nothing else matters. And
you mean to walk with God at any cost, no matter what people say around
you. So whatever the Lord wants us to do
and whatever He allows us to do before Him, it is all part of the plan.
BELIEVER 7: so even if Goliath goes ahead and has something to say about
it...? What did Goliath get? Did he get a stone in his forehead?
BELIEVER 6: we are going to talk about Goliath in a few minutes more.
BELIEVER 7: this is really something. I like it in the book of
Revelation where it talks about that we have the name of our Father on our
foreheads. And when we have this awareness of our Father in our forehead,
right, this is where we are experiencing the mind of Christ, isn't it, where we
are aware of our Father as His children. Doesn't this knockout Goliath? Doesn't
this just take him down and cut his head off. I love it, praise the Lord.
BELIEVER 6: BELIEVER 3 shared some part because we cannot follow these
words only by a book, we can only follow by life.
BELIEVER 7: oh, BELIEVER 6 you are a character.
BELIEVER 6: well, the Lord is the character. The Lord is the Son of Man,
is this expression of our lives if we allow him. This is what it is. And I feel
that the ones in Indiana are enjoying this night too, and I want to hear from
them and how they feel to flow tonight. I'm going to say something before the
two younger ones who desire to wake up early to seek the Lord, God is our
witness and our strength and anything [we need], and our Father is working with
any one of His children, even though we have problems He works with everyone of
us. I feel to say something to BELIEVER 4 before he dismisses, and then we will
come back to the sisters in Indiana even though they haven't shared much yet,
but the Spirit going open up something really good tonight. I am just going to
say something from my heart for you, BELIEVER 4. The Lord wants to work with
you, the same as every one of us. You just need to open to Him more. Everyone
has distractions, I have many distractions, BELIEVER 5 has many distractions.
Many things go against this life. I really enjoyed, or the Spirit in you went
to the Scripture and shared what you share tonight. My prayer is that the Lord
opens more time to interact to share more about this living Person that is living in us so
that you can grow more in Him. Because if you feel that you have a warfare,
everyone else does also. Everyone has a warfare against this life. This is just
a start. You told me in this night how you desired to address me as a brother,
you can call me brother. And you are invited to all the meetings. Just allow
the Spirit to lead you concerning how to move on because it is not easy to
survive the fellowship if we really allow the Spirit to deal with us. And
everyone is ready to open the help with anything according to the leading of
the Spirit.
BELIEVER 5: I had a thought, and maybe this is the Lord and maybe not,
but I don't think the Lord is playing truth or dare with us. He is not just
challenging us, like in a crazy way. His challenging his heart relatedness,
then just like crazy younger people might challenge one another to do something
crazy.
BELIEVER 6: what is the meaning that the Lord is dealing with the heart
regarding what the Lord wants? Can you explain a little bit for BELIEVER 4?
BELIEVER 5: that the Lord wants to do with their heart? That is pretty
deep. My understanding of it is, like the Bible verse that says, "you have
left your first love...." And that is all of us naturally, rather carnal
heart or whatever. But the Lord can give us a new heart by His Spirit. In the
heart is a place where we treasure things, where we value things, so when the
Lord wants to do with their heart I would say that on the one side, He might
want to show us what we are in ourselves, and also He would want to give us a
new heart, and in the new heart the affections are set entirely upon Him, like
first place.
BELIEVER 7: now, BELIEVER 5, where did that new heart come from, how is
it available to us, where is the person to get that new heart from?
BELIEVER 5: how the person gets the new heart first is that, God needed
a man, a human heart that was perfect, and no one had it, not even from Abraham
to David. I know it says that David was a man after God's heart, but even he
failed, he murdered someone. But in the Lord Jesus, God found this heart that
was perfect and obeyed him in everything. And when He died, we talk about the
sometimes, He died to give us an inheritance. And in order for somebody to give
an inheritance the person has to die. So he died, and we get the inheritance
which is really his own heart. That is part of the inheritance. So how can a
person get that heart? Well, God left heaven, he became a man, He lived that
heart first, and then He died to give it to us. And we're here hopefully
learning...
BELIEVER 7: BELIEVER 5, that is better than getting $1 million. Getting
a new heart, that will last us our whole life.
BELIEVER 5: I saw where lottery winners on TV said, "you know what,
winning the lottery was not that big a deal. We actually just blew all our
money and we are just as bad as we were before." That would be better than $1 million.
BELIEVER 7: wow, living riches. Yeah, if you got a new heart and a new
spirit. My, that is incredible. Man, what an inheritance! Which we can enjoy
the rest of our lives, we can never outlive it. This is big.
BELIEVER 6: I want to say something regarding the sharing of BELIEVER 5,
which is really good...
BELIEVER 5: you know what? I was just telling you what Jesus did. That
is all.
BELIEVER 6: well I wanted to share into parts to complete it, not to
take away anything but what the Lord is starting to put in every one because
the Lord is starting to give a wonderful fellowship tonight in a different way
then you move us. How do you fill until now BELIEVER 9 and BELIEVER 10, before
we continue?
BELIEVER 10: I was just thinking about how wonderful it is that the Lord
meets every need that we have. I was thinking about how wonderful it is that
the Holy Spirit works those things that Jesus said, "I will go so the
comforter will come." We were talking about wanting our walk to be perfect
before the Lord, and in our humanness as we walk on this Earth, who even with
the blood of Jesus have been redeemed, the Holy Spirit is constantly working
with us to bring us more into Jesus' likenesses, so that we will desire the
things that Jesus desires. And I was thinking about all the little things in
our lives to bring us to perfection. I've had an experience recently where
there have been times where the Holy Spirit has admonished me about throwing
food in the trashcan. He has told me at certain times, "you are going to
remember this one day. You are going to be sorry, and you will remember when
you throwing food away." And to me that is so wonderful that the Holy
Spirit works with us in such small things to perfect us. It agrees God, it
grieves the Holy Spirit when I am throwing food away and they're hungry people.
That may sound foolish but I am thankful for it. That's just where my thoughts
have gone when we are shared about how faithful God is to help us in shape
us... When it was mentioned about our dying, and how most of the times we don't
know that we are dying with Jesus but I thought about sometimes when I have
done something wrong... I remember when I had a pastor's tape, a cassette. And
I was copying it for other people at Revival
for Our Day office, and I erased part of it accidentally, and it
grieves my heart so bad and I didn't want this pastor to be disappointed in me,
and I found it very hard to confess. It took me quite a while to confess and I
finally wrote him a letter and told him what had happened, and I ask for his
forgiveness for not only that I had erased part of it, the message on the tape
that was important to him, but that I had waited so long to confess it to him.
What I'm trying to say is how wonderful it is that the Holy Spirit doesn't let
us go, where we let those things build up and find ourselves unwilling to
confess an error. And that is dying when you go back and make the confession,
or if you have said something that we shouldn't have said, to make it right,
that is dying to keep ourselves pure before the Lord. Our dying for Jesus in my
mind and in my heart are in the little things. Sometimes their little. But I am
thankful for that daily prompting that the Holy Spirit does in our own personal
lives, things that no one else knows about but the Holy Spirit. And I am
thankful for the work of the Holy Spirit in us, to keep us in the help us along
the way. I don't know if that is very well said, what I have in my heart, but I
am just thankful for the work of the Holy Spirit to help us become more like
Jesus.
BELIEVER 6: I want to put three things on the table regarding what you
have shared before I continue with something that BELIEVER 5 put on the table
regarding what Jesus did. The three things that are very amazing to me: the
first thing is that He created us in the image and likeness of God, in other
words what Jesus did for us, he recovered everything so that we can have the
same relationship that He has with the Father, and we come in the same
condition to our Father as our older brother Jesus. This is the first thing.
The second thing that you put on the table and this is good too, is how the
human beings, any human being without Jesus has a problem to return to our Father...
Has a problem to have a proper relationship with our Father. This is the second
thing the input regarding your condition. It is the same as our condition. In
other words no human being has a chance to return to the Father without the
Son. This is a fact. In this Son of Man who helped us and accomplish
redemption, and everything, in Him we have sanctification we have ascension, we
have everything in Him. When you talk about the Holy Spirit, the Spirit, if
this Spirit is working in our hearts it completes the word of the Scripture in
the Old Testament and in the New Testament. And I want to put the things in
harmony what all the brothers have share tonight... It is so deep if we really
know Him, if we really know Jesus, not just Jesus the Son of God, or Jesus the Son
of Man. In other words we know
in our experience as a man, we experience this life, and we enjoy this life.
But when BELIEVER 5 put regarding what happened with David, and Jesus is the
son of David, and when we are talking about Jesus we need to see one thing that
is really important that the Spirit of the Lord has done, that the Spirit of
the Father has done in the old dispensation and in the new dispensation, and
the old covenant and in the new covenant. The Spirit itself in the Old Testament
with David showed what it means to have the heart of the Father. The meaning is that the human beings cannot
tolerate what the Father is, how the Father is merciful, is righteous, is the
all sufficient God. He is all sufficient in all things. The human beings cannot
tolerate David. When we go to the New Testament we see Jesus, and all the
Pharisees, the Sadducees, all the religious human beings, cannot tolerate this
new love of the kingdom that came in Jesus. Which is where we see in Matthew 5
to 7. In other words Jesus showed what the relationship is, the Holy One showed what it means to have
the life of the Father. In other words we can see our condition, "wretched
man that I am," we can see that we are nothing without Him, and we can see
that if we do not drink His blood and partake of His flesh, His bread, we do
not have part in Him. In other words if we are not going through in this life,
by this spirit, we cannot go through. In other words this Jesus, where BELIEVER
5 said, "I just shared what Jesus did," okay, Jesus did, but the Father
showed in the Old Testament and in the New Testament who is His beloved Son.
And we are in his Son. In other words to understand this in reality is going to
give us the proper meaning of what it means to be in the beloved. And if we are
in Christ we can share all with His Son has. It is in us, but the problem with
us is, according to eternity [eternal chosing] we are in Christ but the problem
is in this dispensation, and other words in today. Today, I we experiencing the
heart of Jesus in our hearts? Are we experiencing His heart? What did Paul say
in the book of Hebrews? He said if you listen to His voice today do not harden
your hearts. Why? Because our hearts are completely evil, our hearts are
completely deceitful. His heart is complete, but our heart is not. And we just
understand what we do not have in our hearts, in other words we are empty
without Him. Without His life and His heart we are nothing, and we experience
this nothingness to have the willingness to return to the Father, to say to
Jesus, "Lord take my whole heart. Don't just give me a new heart, take my
whole heart." And then, can we say that Christ is dwelling in our hearts
by faith? This Christ have a home in our hearts? This is huge. If we just allow
Him to make his home in our hearts, the dwelling place of God. What God? The Father?
In our hearts? By Jesus? It is the work of the Spirit, it is the work of the
Spirit of the living God. In other words we just need to allow Him, the Spirit of
Christ, the Spirit of Jesus Christ returns us to the Father. And the Father of
our spirits is going to send it by our whole being, our bodies... We are not
sanctified by our own [effort]. We are not sanctified because we say, "I
want to be sanctified." He says to us, "you want My life?" This is what Jesus
said, "do you want My life?"
What did He say first?" Deny yourself. This is a high price. Brother Loran
Helm emphasized [the experience of] the cross day by day, moment by moment. But
do you feel this is possible? No, this is not possible for man. But this is
possible by the Holy One, the
Messiah, who now as the Spirit, the life-giving Spirit. And this life-giving
Spirit is living in our hearts. But he is not living because we say, " He is
already there," no. He is there because you have a relationship, a
communion, a commun union. The same life of Christ is the same life in you, by
the same life of the Father, by the same life of the Spirit, by the same
baptism, by the same death, by the same faith. In this word of God, He is the
word of God, we enjoy it. So each one of us just needs to allow this life to
bring together these dry bones, this life and by this word flowing and are
being, what happens? It changes our whole being.
BELIEVER 9: this is been a wonderful sharing tonight, and that was BELIEVER
10, sharing on the Holy Spirit. And I think that with the distance and
everything when I shared last week about unforgiveness, maybe there was a
little bit of, maybe I didn't clarify it. I was mainly concerned with how it is
mainly the tool of the enemy. And what I was thinking, I've seen people who
serve the Lord, and sometimes they can come to a full salvation or to a
complete surrender because of unforgiveness in their hearts. And they mentioned
the body and unforgiveness, and I don't believe that just because someone has
unforgiveness they are not saved, I just meant that we lose our fellowship with
God. And the Holy Spirit is free to lead us, like how maybe we had been walking
before unforgiveness entered into our heart. And so we need to repent from
that, and I was, you know how sometimes you sound like you are down or
something, and I had seen, I was mentioning that I had seen in the body of
Christians, the believers, that sometimes, quite often some of our brothers and
sisters or even ourselves at times might be held back in our walk because of
some unforgiveness that has come into our lives, our relationship with someone.
But if I gave the impression that that was causing someone to not be saved, or
they could follow way or something. Did I leave a wrong impression about that?
BELIEVER 7: I don't think so. Not on my end...
BELIEVER 9: I was encouraged to find out, to be reminded that in
Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Paul put these two things and same chapter, chapter
5. "Therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature. Old things are
passed away behold all things are become new." I think I heard you're
saying that, but down here he gave us this other hope, "for He has made Him
to be sin for us to, Who knew
no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." So that
encourages us that we can walk uprightly before God even if we stumble a
little, his righteousness, we have his righteousness in Christ Jesus. And so
that is a wonderful hope isn't it.
BELIEVER 6: BELIEVER 9, I'm going to share one thing regarding what you
shared. Well, if Christ did everything, if we are experiencing in ourselves
unforgiveness, well, we can be saved in eternity according to what the Lord has
said, that if we have unforgiveness in reality the devil betrays anyone in what
is going on regarding what the Lord is working... When the devil betrays us,
well, we have a chance to experience being defeated on the earth. But according
to what God has done in Christ, we are not defeated. In other words to
experience the victory in this ages it warfare. It is a warfare because he
says, "what is our victory? Our victory is our faith." It is not that
we think about it, or that we are watching something, it is just our faith. It
is by faith that we are saved. By faith we have the victory. In other words we
do not need to about the other stuff. We just need to know that we need to help
our brothers and sisters experience these kind of things to move out of the old
creation, because in the old creation you experience all kinds of things. But
in the new creation we are in Christ. And if we are in Christ all things have
passed away, and all things have become new. That's all.
BELIEVER 9: He who is in us is greater than he who is in the world.
BELIEVER 6: we really enjoy what the Lord is doing with everyone of His children,
no matter what level each one of us are in, in other words all of us are
growing by the same life, and He joins us together by the sinews by the joint
supplies... He does whatever He needs to do. BELIEVER 7, and you feel anything
to share?
BELIEVER 7: well I certainly have some life on these things. I guess
today as I mentioned that the communication has blanked out so I have not been
able to hear everything even though in the Spirit, I understand what the Spirit
is doing generally. So I will just say this, this evening tonight is very rich,
it is very pure. I am just looking forward to more times like this with the
spirit of the Son in such communion with our Father that we are able to enjoy
these unsearchable riches, and just be literally knit together, equipped
together, to be able to function really as His wife, as His bride. And to
comment maybe a little on what BELIEVER 9 shared, was that because Christ is
died for our sins and everything, that is a dead issue. But the thing that is
interesting is that because we are out operating in the world, that we are
actually operating in a world that is separated from God, and so we are out
touching this area of death. So much of the time it is not a matter of sin, but
it is a matter of death that we come in contact with. And so don't we need the
Holy Spirit to just continually wash us with this washing of the water of the
word that cleanses us from being ceremonially unclean, so that we are able to
have fellowship, and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin and
unrighteousness. So, what a beautiful provision the Holy Spirit is, to
continually cleanse us from this exposure to death. Isn't this wonderful! So in
again, this is a, where it talks about them 1 John where it talks about
confessing in being cleansed, so I will not go into it anymore right now, but I
will just say that being in the world and having this dirt on our feet like
when Jesus took his robe off and girded Himself, and He washed His disciples feet, and Peter said, "You’re not going to wash
me." And then Jesus said, "well if you don't let Me wash your feet you don't have any
part in Me." And then Peter
was like, "well, wash me all over." And then Jesus said, "well,
I don't need to wash you all over, just your feet." So this to me is a
real witness that Christ is taking care of us completely. But because we are
out living in the world even though we are not of the world, but the world gets
us dirty with its own death, and so we do need this continual washing just to
keep us fresh so that we can enjoy the fellowship with each other. It is not a matter of the salvation, it is
just a matter of being cleansed. Isn't it wonderful that when we get together
with one another, and just by sharing, BELIEVER 6 I enjoy your sharing tonight
so richly, that just by the spirit it is so cleansing, it is so sanctifying.
BELIEVER 6: that is just the mercy of the Father, that the Father loves His
children and if we are willing to share His life He opens up everything. I just
feel how our Father puts His Son first so that we can keep going through. We
talked about crying, "Abba Father." But when the spirit of the Father
is working in the Son, and Jesus, Jesus has the ability to put the same spirit
in us. And when Jesus puts the same in us we return to the same way to the Father.
For me this is amazing grace because, as Paul says, we are children of wrath,
the wrath of God. And by His Son He put us in the right position as sons. And
then we have a chance to move even as Christ moved. That is all!
BELIEVER 7: that is wonderful, that is good news.
BELIEVER 6: and then He wants many sons. He doesn't just want one Son.
He wants many sons. In other words this Father is so rich because He gives the
firstfruit, the first one, but there is more coming. And we are being cooked.
The Father is cooking us.
BELIEVER 5: I'll share a little bit more from this fellowship in Mexico,
how about that?
BELIEVER 6: in the moment that we can I hear something, the best portion
that I enjoyed from BELIEVER 7, I enjoyed tonight. Because he said, well, even
though I've not listened to some things I generally have the feeling of the Spirit.
This is what the Father wants. The Father doesn't want that we try to figure
out the details because he is full of details, the Father. If we are to sharing
His life, all of us will receive what we need. We will not receive more, we
will not receive less, we will receive all the He is. If we have just one
portion. It is a good thing to know our Father, the Father of our spirit by the
spirit. This is where he wants more in us. And if we allow it more and more, we
are going to be in reality now sons of the living God.
BELIEVER 5: From the Fellowship in Mexico:
The only thing that needs to be found in our heart is thankfulness,
for our great Salvation and for the works that He prepared beforehand. I beg to the Lord that He give to us a spirit
of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge, not of the bible, but of the Person
of the Lord Yahshua, through Whom all of the work has been finished. When He was on the cross, one of His
declarations was, “It is finished.”
Having overcome Satan, having overcome the demons, having overcome the
authority of Satan, having overcome sins and sicknesses, He declared, “It is
finished.” In other words, the works are
already finished. Why do we beg for the Red Sea to open if it is already
opened? Why do we beg the Lord to overcome
a devil that is already defeated? Why do
we ask Him to sanctify us if we already have Sanctification. Brothers, let us turn our heart to the
Lord. Brothers, let us beg that the Ruah
Ha Kodesh would truly govern us. Leave
behind walking around in our imaginations.
Leave behind walking in our good doctrines. Let us leave behind walking around in our
human considerations, and turn our hearts to Elohim, being truly converted to
the Lord. We need a genuine
conversion. This moment is the
moment to experience the part of the book of Acts, when it talks of a genuine
repentance. We need the Lord. Repent and convert, so that your sins may be
washed away. And what we need to repent
from is thinking that we can overcome Satan, from thinking that we can sanctify
ourselves by much fasting, prayer, and biblical lessons. This offends the Lord. The work is consummated. It is consummated. It is not by works, but it is by works. It is not by works, but yes, it is by
works. It is not by self-initiated
works, but it is by works, those that He prepared beforehand, so that we would
walk in them. The works of the
Israelites, Yahweh completed them from before the foundation of the world. And the works of the overcomers were
consummated in Yahshua. It is
consummated.
BELIEVER 9: and I have something here that kind of goes along with that,
because we are talking about the works that were beforehand ordained. And it
says, "God in a mystery even a hidden wisdom which God ordained before the
world unto our glory, but God has revealed them to us by His Spirit. But the
Spirit searches all things, yea the deep things of God. For who knows the
things of man except the spirit of the man himself. Even so the things of God,
no man knows but the Spirit of God. And yet sharing them with us through the
Holy Spirit."
BELIEVER 7: what a provision. Boy have we got it made in the spirit.
This is incredible. O Father, that more and more people would live like this,
that your spirit would be in more and more people. We just ask you to do this.
Flow through us allow, other people to be touched by this River of the water of
life that they would be healed, that they would be transformed, that they would
be risen from the dead... In the families, and the neighborhood, and in the
society at large, unto the ends of the earth. Thank you Father that we can be
about your business because of Your Son living through us. The harvest is
white, it is ready. Thank you for
lifting eyes, precious Lord.
BELIEVER 5: sanctification is to experience this consummated work in the
person of Jesus.
BELIEVER 6: I have a chance to share what BELIEVER 5 put right now on
the table, and it sums up the Fellowship of Mexico. If everything is
consummated, and BELIEVER 5 said sanctification is consummated in and the
working of Jesus, how has this that has already happened available to us now?
And I just only in eternity, but as a living reality now.
BELIEVER 7: well, we are not supposed to be drunk with wine but we are
supposed to be filled with the Spirit.
The filled with this spirit. Pour us a drink.
BELIEVER 5: you said that I said, BELIEVER 5, if sanctification has
already happened [consummated].... I didn't say that sanctification has already
happened, be careful. I said that sanctification is to experience the
consummated work that has already happened in the person of Jesus. He has
became unto us sanctification.
BELIEVER 7: so as He is in us and living, we are being sanctified.
BELIEVER 5: the work is consummated, there is no need to separate it. It
is unnecessary. The only need to separate it would be to make a distinction in
our minds... Then you could say, rather you just understand it in your mind,
but really there is no need to separate it... The experience of separation and
the consummated work.
BELIEVER 6: I do this by faith right now because the Spirit is starting
to put some things that is surprising everyone. We are going to think that our
mind is separated and everything is consummated in eternity in Christ in us,
with the Father. But this kind of reality we are going to firstly receive it by
revelation. Paul prayed, "that the Father giveth spirit of wisdom and
revelation in the knowledge of this consummated work of Christ, everything that
is already consummated." But in the moment that you have this revelation,
you did not only have the head knowledge of the revelation, you're going to
know in yourself what this is and you're going to live by His life, it is when
you live organically this life that Christ already formed for us. In other
words we receive the word, which is a Person, and this Person sanctifies
us, this Person. But the middle
voice which that BELIEVER 7 puts on the table all the time, operates in us as
human beings by the Spirit of the Lord in our spirit. If we just allow Him to
work and join together with the Lord we are one spirit. In this one spirit, the
Father feels that this is consummated, it is a consummated love. We're going to
talk about the Spirit and the bride say,, they both experienced the middle
voice, they both experience the same relationships. When we go through with
this and say it is consummated, we are talking about in eternity and now. To
stand on what Christ did, and the works of Christ which he already
accomplished, this is our function to stand. But to stand you need to have His life,
because it would not have His life we cannot stand. You might say, "I
stand," no, you cannot stand. The only one who has standing is Christ in
you. When we are talking about these things that are consummated in us, we
start to say, Father, the Creator of
heaven and earth, there is a bride prepared from before the foundation of the
world, COME! The Spirit in the bride
say, "Come!" In other words, again eternity in all what he chosen
ones. Eternity, only one flow, one life, one river, everything. In other words
this consummated, we have a chance to have a foretaste now, we have a chance to
enjoy this foretaste now. But the devil is trying to steal our inheritance now.
I feel that if we know more in eternity, the Father says, "okay allow
this." If we turn to Him we stand, but if we do not turn to Him, we do not
stand. Even if in our spirits we are one, He doesn't want just our spirit He wants
our whole being. And this is the mystery. Because everyone says, "no
brother, we are in the same spirit." Yes, in the same spirit, but what
about the soul? Well, this has not been fulfilled yet. Why hasn't this been
fulfilled yet? Christ has already accomplished everything. Because we have not
surrendered. Nobody is going to say, "well, I am not surrendered." I
am not going to say that I am not surrendered is the Lord is not dealt with me.
In other words the Lord is not dealing with me, the father is not dealt with
me, I cannot say, I do not want to say. But the Father deals with us then you
say, and this is what BELIEVER 8 says every week, "I am not, but you are.
You are." In Christ, and you send this is a wonderful mystery.
BELIEVER 7: now BELIEVER 6, in conjunction with this verse that we
shared earlier where it says, "one day is as 1000, and 1000 is as
one." Then this is the day that the Lord has made, and we will be rejoice
and be glad... We have entered Thy gates with thanksgiving in our hearts, we
have entered Thy courts with praise... We will say this is the day that the
Lord has made. We will be glad and rejoice" and it is like, because we
have received Christ, you know the Spirit of Christ, and He is living in us
that as we are living, and as we are continuing to live we are being
sanctified. Not that we are trying to do anything, but as we (from the
privately interpreted viewpoint) as we go into the future, like right now if we
were to look at our clock, the clock would say, tick, tick, tick, tick,
tick.... We are going into the future so to speak. But we have this Eternal Spirit right now that
is the past, the present, and the future. So right now as we abide in Him,
because we can't stop time, as they say time marches on, that this Spirit of
burning, this Spirit is literally consuming the future things that come up,
where we haven't been yet, He has already been there. So like we are just being
sanctified, so we can just abide in the Spirit with total confidence that He is
going to perfect that which concerns us. And He is going to finish what He started.
Isn't this marvelous! And the Scriptures, we go ahead and study in certain
places about the promises, and these are in the middle voice. This is
incredible. Because He is in us literally performing it as we are breathing, as
we are thinking right now, He is literally sanctifying us. Isn't this
marvelous? This is awesome! We don't do anything, we just allow him to sanctify
us as we go, and just wash. Wow!
BELIEVER 6: I'm going to say something. This Father, how the Father handles
everything in the meeting tonight, it is so wonderful. He has allowed a
different brothers have a different burden, and then the Father has joined
together everything. Well according to what you said and according to what BELIEVER
5 has put on the table about this part that were shared in Mexico, and the Lord
is starting to open three years later, starting to open more and more, I have a
chance to say one thing. Well, when you say that He does it in us, Okay, but
the willing that is in the middle voice where we say the Spirit says
"come," and the bride says "Come," Christ is the middle
voice, Christ. Christ in you, for Christ in me, or Christ in anyone says
"come"... When this Christ gains us, and you are willing, I am
willing, or anyone is willing, this Christ is magnified. He is magnified, and
this is just one voice. And this is the one voice is what declares what the Father
is. He is the word of God. But what word? The word of the Father. The Lord has
done a really good job with all of us tonight. He is starting to tune as to the
same Spirit and allow that this same life to know the significance of what
consummated means.
BELIEVER 7: present active participle, we are being consummated.
BELIEVER 10: we are growing in the Spirit, we learn to walk before we
run. And we have the Scripture precept by precept, a little here and a little
there. And as we obey day by day we are sanctified, but we are sanctified by
faith when we believe, but we began to walk in the way of sanctification by
obedience and surrender.
BELIEVER 7: so is and is so wonderful to have the Spirit of the Son in
us, that is the obedience, that is the surrender, and as He is in us
surrendered to the Father, that the fellowship between the Father and the Son is
going on perpetually, and we are just enjoying this transformation, from glory
to glory. And isn't this something, and
he is literally knitting as together and we are experiencing this corporate
maturity, you know, being brought onto the fullness of the stature of Christ,
this One New Man. Wow! What a
work. Isn't this the work? He is literally causing us to become One New Man. What a work!
BELIEVER 9: One New Man,
when the man is whole Christ will return...
BELIEVER 7: yes, and Christ the New
Man in us is just being enlarged isn't He?
BELIEVER 6: thank you Father for giving us a first fruit of your new
creation..
BELIEVER 7: we are enjoying the flavor, and we even appreciate the
details. It just gives us more specificity, hallelujah! Specificity. That goes
with co-crucifictoriously speaking.
BELIEVER 6: BELIEVER 9, as the one new man when you talk about as
sharing as the one new man, and we become the new man is the reality Christ
will return. Well I feel that Christ has already returned in us as the first
fruit, which is what we have shared. Because he moves in us as the one life,
but he wants all to enter into this new man. All! So I feel that the father is
pleased when anyone is open to enjoy this life and live in the middle voice,
and other words Christ as her head, Christ is a source, Christ is everything to
us.
BELIEVER 5: just because the them, we talked a lot about, surrendering
to the Lord, and a lot of people talk about it it is kind of a big deal. When it is kind of a big deal it is like what
BELIEVER 7 said earlier, making him Lord even though he is Lord. Because unless
we do that, we don't receive the benefits of handing the Lord of life. So I think what I'm generated to share is a
reflection of our fellowship... What I'm getting ready to share.... First this
hymn
Hast thou seen Him, heard Him, known Him; Is not thine a captured heart
Chief among 10,000, own him; joyful choose the better part
Captivated by His beauty, worthy tribute haste to bring
Let His peerless worth constrain thee, Crown Him now unrivaled king
Then there is one [verse] in particular that I'm going to relate to
something that I am going to share from 2 Chronicles.
What has stripped the seeming beauty from the idols of the earth
Not a sense of right or duty, but the sight of peerless worth
Not the crushing of those idols, with its bitter void and smart
But the beaming of His beauty, the unveiling of His heart
And then 2 Chronicles 30, we have King Hezekiah becoming King and he has
a heart for the Lord, unlike many other kings. And he restores the Passover,
something that Israel hadn't done in many many years. And the people were and
idolatry big time and this time.. But it says, and this is 2 Chronicles 30, and
this is chaos too with the restoration of the Passover, the kind of didn't like
not according to the rules, but because the Lord saw their hearts he blessed
them anyways, because they had a right heart in doing it all. So in verse 24,
"24 For Hezekiah king of Judah did give to the congregation a
thousand bullocks and seven thousand sheep; and the princes gave to the
congregation a thousand bullocks and ten thousand sheep: and a great number of
priests sanctified themselves.
25 And all the congregation of Judah, with the priests and the Levites,
and all the congregation that came out of Israel, and the strangers that came
out of the land of Israel, and that dwelt in Judah, rejoiced.
26 So there was great joy in Jerusalem: for since the time of Solomon
the son of David king of Israel there was not the like in Jerusalem.
27 Then the priests the Levites arose and blessed the people: and their
voice was heard, and their prayer came up to his holy dwelling place, even unto
heaven."
And then as a result of this very great joy that we have, in chapter 31
"Now when all this was finished, all Israel that were present went
out to the cities of Judah, and brake the images in pieces, and cut down the
groves, and threw down the high places and the altars out of all Judah and
Benjamin, in Ephraim also and Manasseh, until they had utterly destroyed them
all."
BELIEVER 7: wonderful, what a party! Let's get smashed! This is pretty
powerful.
BELIEVER 5: I have heard about this type of thing before, that we need
the Lord to capture hearts before we have the ability to really break with
these things, but I have always asked myself, "where is that in the
Bible?" There it is 2 Chronicles chapter 30, and it goes on into chapter
31. There is great joy that they had an experience in many many years, and they
went after that great party when they restored the Passover, in other words
there restored Christ to his place, they had joy and they went and broke all
their idols.
BELIEVER 7: I enjoy the New Testament commentary on this, and 1 John 3,
where it talks about and he says, "I am writing into you that, we are
having fellowship with the Father and the Son, and for you to have fellowship
with us, and then he says, the reason is so that your joy would be full. That
your joy be full."And then you look at the very last verse, chapter 5
verse 21, and do you know what it says, "okay now little children, not
just stay away from the idols." Isn't that great.
BELIEVER 5: that is pretty much a parallel
BELIEVER 7: and it is that joy that we have in this fellowship that BELIEVER
6 really opened up with here, and when we have this kind of strength, when we
are filled with this power and might, then this is what we do. And we are not
out beating up on sinners, but we are definitely up there tearing the idols
down, smashing this stuff, getting rid of it, just rooting this stuff up, just
getting rid of it. All of the false images that people have been worshiping,
all of the false images, because the czar the things that displace the
understanding of the image and likeness of God in us, and that's why it says
don't make anything, any idols, any graven images, because this is what
deprives people from being able to experience their true identity and their
relationship with God the Father.
BELIEVER 6: can I say something before you keep going brothers? When we
say it not do anything, this is something that is impossible for us, not do
anything. Because we most of the time try to do everything. In other words, not
do anything means that we need to abide in God so that he can do everything,
and this means dying. This means that we become ruined, but he is everything.
This is what the hymn that says,
All of self and none of thee
then
Some of self and some of thee
then
Less of self and more of thee
Finally
None of self and all of thee
in other words we cannot experience this Christ is everything if we
still have something of us. But he needs to do...
BELIEVER 7: well, there is a real key thing in this. Because when we
receive Christ, Christ is the one who dies in us, Christ is the one who lives
in us. Christ is the only one that denies Himself. Christ is the only one who has a relationship with the Father.
So when we really received the Spirit of Christ, by just simply believing on Him
and receiving Him, then He comes into us and He causes us in His ability to put
off the old, and to put on the new. And so even that work, if you will, even
that process is something that He does and accomplishes in us. This is
marvelous, this is incredible!
BELIEVER 6: this is something that we now in reality by experience.
BELIEVER 7: no, if we were just to read it in the Bible and were to
privately interpret it, you know when it says to die to yourself, take up your
cross and follow Me? We would think
that it is something that we do. And you go ahead and read in the Greek and it
is in the middle voice, to deny ourselves. It is not in the active voice, so
this is loaded. And when you go ahead and see church history and you see so
many people that did all kinds of stuff to themselves, in all kinds of works
programs, and tried to mutilate themselves and crucify themselves...(really).
BELIEVER 6: I see until now everybody everywhere tries to fill what they
cannot do.
BELIEVER 7: yes, Christ is the only one that finished these works.
Christ is the only one that went to Calvary properly. Thank you Lord. Because
when you get into the Christian religion and the people tell each other,
"take up your cross." And it is like, all the time if you get this
revelation of who Christ is in us, the only one that took up the cross. Because
if the person could actually deny themselves they would have a reason to be
proud of it. It is unbelievable.
BELIEVER 6: do you know when you are proud of it, you have pride if it
is you do it? But if you do not do it, you cannot have pride. Because it does
not belong to you.
BELIEVER 7: yes we are free aren't we, from all the dead works. Christ
in us actually implementing it. Are we having fun yet? It is not like we even
have any wool on. It isn't like we have linen on.
BELIEVER 5: yes, I am not sweating and itching and stuff like that (No
sweat).
BELIEVER 7: we can say that this doesn't stink, it is sweet. We receive it, and we reciprocate it. I was
talking with some folks recently, and they were trying to get into the
Christian thought in terms of thinking linearly, or cyclically, and when we
introduce them to this Christ that we have been enjoying tonight, and all of
the sudden we begin to talk about thinking reflectively, and we get delivered
from thinking linearly or cyclically, it was really beautiful just to watch
these brothers that have been going through these seminaries with all their
apologetics, debating and arguing the Scriptures, and it was like all of the sudden,
it was like reflective thinking, like the reflection of the Son in the Father and
the Father and the Son, the mind of Christ being in us. They were blown away.
Blown away, the natural mind was just disintegrated. Really renewed in the
spirit of the mind. Literally crowned, not with just like even a nice crown,
like in the inanimate thing, but we have literally been crowned with life, even
life for evermore. Just amazing, this mind of Christ that is not just in me,
but that is in us, all of us, one mind. What a Fellowship of the mystery!
(Singing)
and if it keeps on getting better, I don't know what organ to do.
BELIEVER 5: We might go smash a bunch of idols, and false images. There
might be so much joy that we does go on break everything.
BELIEVER 7: crash the party. Now I am just thanking with the younger
folks, in your area, we are going to pray for you that you have an awesome
time, with fewer iconoclasm. Being iconoclastic, like idol smashing. Have you
ever heard of Schlossberg’s book Idols for Destruction? It is pretty good. In
case you feel as though you are going to expand on your vocation.
BELIEVER 5: if I have another joy in me I might take that up
.
BELIEVER 7: BELIEVER 5, I can see the writing on the wall. And when we
had the image and likeness of God in us, and we know how to reflect this life
with one another, this literally, you know the ark goes in next to Dagon, and
when it was in there what happens? The idol falls over and breaks into pieces.
So even the strategy of the idol smashing is pretty interesting how it works.
Do we smash them with hammers, or do we put ropes around them and pull them
over, how does it work? So when the image and likeness of God shows up in the
human beings, and then they are seen by the adversary, that those false images
that are, that because the human beings are made in the image and likeness of
God and the Demons aren't, and so all the contortions on how they conform
people into other images, that when people are exposed to the Lord in other
people, then these images, these masks, like masquerade parties, and people are
just stripped away of the stuff. And it is incredible, how it works. You know
these false images, and images that people try to make up and wear and present
to each other. So we just keep looking at Him and keep beholding Him, and we
are literally changed into the same image. And then when we go out we bring
that countenance amongst people, idols are getting smashed. False images are
literally being ripped down. So isn't it an interesting way that it happens.
(That sounds like a good game plan). In the military it is amusing, as far as
and they take their troops out and they just kind of march them around and do
different maneuvers in front of the enemy, and it just kind of freaks out the
enemy by what they do. So when we go out in the presence of the Lord is in us,
and we go out, it is like art countenances literally shine, and this causes the
enemy to run. And this is like the stone and their foreheads. They are out
there ranting and raving and making all kinds of noise, and this one Jesus who
is our David, and He is in us, and He is the Son of God in the express image of
the Father, and He shows up in us and he basically hurls the stone into the
forehead of Goliath, in the other people, and the people literally get the
devil knocked out of them. The spirits are just put to flight. One will chase
100, to look chase 10,000. It has got that kind of proportion to it. So it is
like, "hey how does that happen?" Oh, the weapons of our warfare are
not carnal, but they are mighty through God for the pulling down of
strongholds. And then in another place it talks about anything that exalteth
itself against the knowledge of God, cast down. And so this is this middle
voice activity where this other cry raises up, so the presence of God shows up
that literally cast down this stuff.
BELIEVER 5: say good picture that is David casting down the line. And it
is the Lord in us, it is not us trying to grab thoughts and do things with
them, and all kinds of stuff.
BELIEVER 7: yes, this work has been finished from before the foundation
of the world. Christ is crucified from before the foundation of the world. And
when we allow Him to be all that he is in us and through us, He comes back and
literally wipes out the enemy, single-handedly. And you know the story of the
Pilgrim's progress, part one and part two. In part one Christian goes ahead and
he has to fight Apolyon, and through giant despair, and doubting Castle, and
all that kind of business. But do you know what happens after he is to the
celestial city and then the Lord sends a letter to his wife and children? And
when they come through and take the same journey that he did, do you remember
what happens in the story? Great heart leads them through, valiant for truth
protects them from behind, and what happens is that they go right into this
area where giant despair was, and even a kid, and they got the slingshots and
stuff, and you can see this in these books, like the dangerous journey books,
and what happens is that they literally go in there and kill giant despair and
his wife, and then they go ahead and tear down the Castle. It says it took them
seven days. And this is the kid doing it. This is Christ, this is the picture
of Christ showing up in us after Christ has already been before and then the
whole thing and went through the whole process. And now He comes back and He is
in us, and He literally goes through this and annihilates stuff. It is really
awesome. In Exodus, another picture of it is where it says stand still and see
the salvation of God. Because God is in the people. He is there to perform the
warfare Himself. There it is
again. Amazing isn't it. And BELIEVER 6 was really on a roll here tonight,
specifically in this Fellowship about we are brought into this relationship
between the Father and the Son, and when we really have the Spirit of the Son,
not just as disciples hanging out with Jesus, "oh Jesus you are so
wonderful. Lord, Lord." And all this other business. But when we really
have the Spirit of the Lord in us, then all this other stuff happens. Because
we have the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ in us who is in communion with the Father,
and then what happens is the Father delivers us from evil, the evil one. The Father
delivers us, you know the prayer, the last thing he said, "and deliver us
from evil, for Thine is
the kingdom and the power and the glory forever." So when we are embracing
the Father in the Spirit of His Son, He wipes out everything all the time, just
by His presence. Nothing, nothing can stand before Him nothing, absolutely
nothing. Isn't this awesome! He is the king of kings, He is the Lord of Lords.
Like in the book of Revelation, this is what we're talking about. The I am that
I am, the one whose name is, like in Exodus, so what does the name mean,
"I am that I am?" I am the Lord God of your father Abraham, Isaac,
and Jacob. I am your God, and if you are tuned in with Me, and you let me deal with stuff, I will deal with it. So this
is where when we are turned over to the Father He becomes everything, and we
become nothing, then He does everything and we do nothing, and everything
happens, everything happens, nothing is left undone. And here's the other
prayer and 2 Chronicles 7:14, it says, "and when My people..." Have you listened is this? "Who are called
by My name... I am the God of
your fathers.... Is My people
who are called by My name, and
they humble themselves, and they pray, and they seek My face, and they confessed their sins and turn from their
wicked ways, I will hear from heaven, I will forgive their sin, and I will heal
their land." How is that? It is a done deal. But we need to know this
name, like when we had the Spirit of Christ in us, Christ knows His name.
Christ knows who the Father is. Nobody else does, Christ knows. This is what LB
were sharing earlier. And when Christ goes ahead and He lives in us, He glorifies
the Father. And it says that he basically, He kept all the disciples in the
name of the Father, and then He glorified the Father’s name, He allow the Father to live in Him, and this
is the victory, even His faith that overcomes the world.... That overcomes the
world in 1 John 4:5. This is unbelievable, it goes on and on.
BELIEVER 5: it sounds like the work is consummated
BELIEVER 7: we can rest, we can afford to rest. When we buy the spirit
of the Lord in us, no the father like this, then we have the spirit of the Lord
in us, and then we recall, "I am the vine and you are the branches, My Father is the husbandman, He
is the one that is working, He is the one that is tilling the soil, He is the
one that is causing this whole thing to grow. He is at work." So than the
point is, we need to take the Father out of the unemployment line. He is
sitting over there with His tool box unemployed, and we need to take Him out of
unemployment. And He goes, "hey there bucky, when a you going to stop
it..." (Like the guys waiting at Home Depot for somebody to come pick them
up). Yes, that is like the Father, the Father is unemployed. So many Christians
are running around doing all kinds of nonsense. And He is over there
unemployed. And it is like we said earlier, the Lord is the Lord. But He won't
be the Lord unless we make Him Lord even though He is the Lord. The Father is
the Father, and He will be the Father if
we let him be the Father, but if we did not come back to Him, how is He
going to be able to be who He is and do what He does in us, in us? He's not.
And then we are going to burn out, we are going to burn up (using our own
energy). Soul power. And we are going to be made part of the casualty list,
"I did it, my way." (You mean the guys on the deathbed repenting).
Well, hopefully at that time, after they got burned out in the Lord is going to
take them home. You know when they interview these really successful people,
after they have earned all this money and they are in the hospital and they're
dying and everything. And they interview them and they say, "if you could
do it all over again what would you do?" You know what they don't say,
they don't say, "I would work harder and make more money." They don't
say it. They say, "I would be loving my family more." And then at
that point their value system changes because they realize that this stuff
means nothing. Then they have a problem many times because they're accumulated
so much stuff, so much money, and they have a hard time figuring out how
they're going to pass it on because it has the potential to ruin the people
that receive it. So when will go ahead
and learn how to take this mammon of unrighteousness, that has the wrong image
and likeness on it, it has value like money value, and we basically allow it to
be converted. So when we, we willingly turn ourselves over to the Lord, and
then we offer ourselves to one another by the will of God, and then whatever we
have in our hands however we have purposed in our hearts to give in to share
and to overflow, that now the very resources, whatever we have it becomes
changed because we are change, because we become the new currency. Now his
image and likeness is on us, and now we go ahead and use whatever we have,
whatever is in our hands, all of the sudden we become the new value system.
People see us, people see the image and likeness of God, people see the
currency of love, the Commonwealth of love. And it is like this is the buying
power, this literally cause the enemy to run, to leave behind the things, to
leave behind the souls, and the Lord just goes and wins back everything that he
lost that the devil stole, the things of the earth, people's time energy and money.
And through Christ in us he literally goes back and causes the recession in the
world, and causes the resources to go back to their rightful owner who is
Christ, who is in us, and he who has joined himself to the Lord is one spirit,
middle voice. And we become joint heirs with Christ to His inheritance, who is
the owner of all the stuff, He is the heir of everything, and we begin to
experience this joint heirship, and we begin to experience being with Him as He
comes back with His own, in victory, literally driving out the enemy. Not too
bad. So there is another portion where this is seen in a little bit bigger way.
More colorful, more vividly painted picture of John in Revelation, and on his
thigh is written King of Kings and Lord of lords, like the I am, and no one, no
one, no one can stand before Him. Nothing.
BELIEVER 6: because, BELIEVER 5 has started to use fireworks to declare
the Victory of Christ. I really enjoyed the sharing and the flowing between
both of you. I just want to attach some point that you put, it that is really
good. And I just want to dig a little bit that is been put on the table
according to have the spirit leads tonight. When you put BELIEVER 7, Christ
knows that the only one who has a chance to deliver us from the evil one is the
Father. In other words when we turn to the Father and we see how Jesus does
everything in the earth when He was presently, and He said, "Father,"
and first He asked that the cup be taken away from Him but then He said,
"not My will but Your
will be done." But then He went to Calvary and he said, "into Your hands
I commit My Spirit [Father]."
And then He says, "everything is fulfilled [Father]." And then He came
out of the grave in resurrection, and He breathed the Spirit in every one of His
disciples, and He said to wait for the comforter, wait in Jerusalem for the
comforter, I need to go and the Spirit is going to come. Well the Spirit is
already with us, but when we talk about being delivered from the evil one, we
know that just the Father does the job. And when we talk about Matthew, the
disciples asked how to pray. Before past although the whole sermon of the
Mount, in other words the Constitution the kingdom of heaven, in other words we
cannot even grasp all these kind of things, and then when we do not really have
a clue of how to do it, the disciples told Jesus, "how do we pray?"
Then he starts even in the moment and that He did not go through the process, He
started, "our Father." In other words he saw the completeness, the
fulfillment, the consummation of everything, and then He says our Father. In
other words He included us in our prayer, as Christ is the one who does
everything. And then He says at the end of the prayer, at the end of the prayer
He says deliver us from the evil one. This is huge. This is huge because Jesus
establish not only His relationship with the Father, that He established our
relationship with the Father in Him. Wow.
BELIEVER 5: and the God of peace shall crush Satan's head under your
feet shortly.
BELIEVER 6: and then I have a chance to put what you put, this is the
fulfillment of everything. And Yours
Father is the kingdom, and the power, Father, You have the power,
and the glory, You have the glory, forever. Amen.
BELIEVER 7: well this is what he recommended for us.
BELIEVER 5: I am tired, I'm about to fall out of my chair.
BELIEVER 7: in that case, you better go have some faith rest in the
finished work. Yep, go enjoy some faith rest in the finished work. You can rest
in his love, like in Zephaniah 3:17, rest in His Love. Have a sweet rest, be
refreshed, and will get the shofar in the Jubilee, and we will go out and
declare the victory, and we will watch the captives are set free and everything
returned to its rightful owner. And we will learn how to become stewards in a
greater way than ever.
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