One Died for all, therefore all died....
BELIEVER 5: I grew up in Catholicism, but I began to question it when I
learned history better. I came to the
United States when I was 60, and I saw how the people moved on the weekends. 3 of my 4 children were Christians by this
time, just me and my wife continued in Catholicism. I visited about 8 to 9 churches, some in
English and some in Spanish, and a friend gave me a bible. It was in Spanish. That was another frustration of the catholic
church, was that everything was in Latin.
The people didn’t understand anything, just doing repetition. There were monks and priests in my family,
and I began to question them. I said,
“why are all the riches of South America in the hands of the church?” Only the people that are involved in the
church have a lot of money. Things can’t
change with that kind of system in power.
This is what made me suffer a lot growing up, growing up in a country
like Ecuador, who is the number one exporter of bananas in the world, since 70
years ago. We have oil like Mexico;
there are only 13 million people, it’s small.
If the political parties would handle things justly, there would not be
any hunger or poverty. I found a lot of
these things when I read the communistic and socialistic books. When one lives in the world like God had me,
to not be a miserable person, a person that greedy and uncompassionate person;
to see this makes me unhappy with my country.
When I lost my son, I lost the energy to work, to progress in life. I came here and everybody complained about
how much we work in the U.S. It is the
same as everywhere us. I don’t believe
in complaining, and I don’t believe people work to much here. Everybody works the same in all parts of the
world. The South and Central American
countries have the worst disease in the whole world: the social prejudice. I taught my kids to sit at a table with wine,
and to sit on the floor and eat potatoes.
Usually the people have a little more money than others look at the
people with their nose in the air. A
poor person can’t go to a restaurant, even if they have the ability to
pay. It is similar to what happened in
the U.S. against black people. I learned
more of what the world is through these things .
BELIEVER 3: and as your speaking, having seen this type of situation
myself, I asked myself, “what is the solution to these things?” And when I
started knowing Christ as the One that knocked out everybody: the oppressed
person, He knocks out the oppressor. He eliminates
the whole system of oppression. He wipes
out everybody, and He wipes out all of the bad relationships. And when the oppressor and the oppressed have
Christ in them, then there is the potential of the New Man, and the new
relationship: no oppression. No
oppression, and potentially One New Man.
I am so excited that Christ intends to live in the oppressor and the
oppressed.
BELIEVER 5: righteousness is this.
And there are good Castellano terms, one is “temperance is of God.” It
is finer than prudence. There are good
authors that talk about equilibrium.
BELIEVER 3: Yes, equal. Equal
because Christ is in this one and Christ is in that one.
BELIEVER 5: therefore, I was crazy to figure out what communism and
socialism were in reality. Because many
get involved in it without really knowing what those concepts or movements
are. From that point, of really finding
out what they were, I started to defend the United States (because those
systems don’t work either). I saw what
happened in the Soviet Union. There are
many republicans and communists joined together within them.
BELIEVER 3: yes, they have a counterfeit new man.
BELIEVER 5: I went there, and they have a lot of Jews. A lot of Jews went there before the
revolution.
BELIEVER 1: a lot went there from Poland whenever Poland was
divided. Many went to the United States
and Russia.
BELIEVER 3: I am just focusing right in on the basis of Christ the True
New Man, Who cancels the structured system of inequality. He cancels the system by putting an end to
everyone. So when He terminates everyone
there is no more socialism, capitalism, or communism, because there is no more
people. And when He comes to live in
each person, then I see the true relationship between Christ in the poor person
and Christ in the rich person, there is really only Christ. And this to me is the solution for world
peace.
BELIEVER 5; because God accomplished equality in Him, and there is no
discrimination.
BELIEVER 3: yes, yes, yes, this is wonderful.
Believer 5: after reading Marx, Engels, Hegel, and many others, I
learned something of what is social justice.
BELIEVER 3: yes, and then Jesus goes I am going to die and take you all
out. You are all gone. Those are My
politics. And I am going to have a Kingdom,
and I am going ot be your life.
BELIEVER 5: it is not only Witness Lee that talks this. You BELIEVER
1 didn’t grow up in a generation were all of these things were being worked out
in society. We, being a little older,
saw the working out of all this, and until now, the only country that half way
works under socialism is Cuba. There are good doctors and music from Cuba. But apart from this, what have they offered
to the world? Nothing.
BELIEVER 3: Don’t we enjoy the real world war. Where Jesus allows Himself to be crucified,
and the world war, not where one group kills the other one and takes control of
the other one, but the world war where everyone dies! Everyone dies in this world war. What a wonderful world war where everyone is annihilated. I love this world war.
BELIEVER 5: it is a blessing to see the things in the way that you are
putting it. It is nice.
BELIEVER 1: it is what the bible says to. He is only putting things in this way, but
Paul put the things in this way.
BELIEVER 3: where do they teach war like this? Where are the generals that understand how the war works?
BELIEVER 5: not in the seminaries where all of the famous pastors
attend teach history in that type of way.
BELIEVER 3: Only the Lord teaches us this. He says, “I am the general, I am the secret
weapon, I am going to take you all out.”
BELIEVER 1: like Bush said, the weapon of mass destruction.
BELIEVER 3: yes, like the Lord is saying, I am the weapon of mass
destruction. The question is, have they
found the weapon of mass destruction?
BELIEVER 5: God has demonstrated to us that when the people say that
they want to invade Iraq to better it and reconstruct it, that that wasn’t
true. People went there for their own
interests.
BELIEVER 1: of course, because those men are still part of the old man.
BELIEVER 3: Yes, and so the gospel is that Jesus is the weapon of mass
destruction. This is the good news. And then, because our faith is in the
resurrection of the dead, then He goes, “half the good news is, I am going to
kill everybody.” And everybody is like,
“Wow!” “But the better new is that I am
going to raise them all from the dead and there is going to be world peace. Then He goes, “so where are my soldiers,
where are my people that are going to carry out this warfare?”
BELIEVER 1: that is the gospel, that Jesus is the weapon of mass
destruction that killed everyone.
BELIEVER 3: yeah, He is so good.
BELIEVER 1: that wouldn’t sound like the gospel if…if…
BELIEVER 3: if you didn’t understand how bad it was. Because this structured system of social inequality
is so demonic. This is the devil living
in one group of people making them feel
superior over another group of people.
So when Jesus goes ahead and rids the land of this tyrant, He goes in
and just wipes everybody out, and then comes into everybody and brings
everybody back from the dead. This is
what’s up. This is what we are involved with.
And then having the kind of materials to communicate with people and to
bring them the reality that the war is over.
And then to go and to say to all the people that are dead in Christ, “Oh
by the way, you are heirs of God.” The
spoil of the war is, “Oh, I’ve got all the people back, I have the entire
earth, I’ve been appointed the heir of all things (Hebrews 1:2). I have been appointed the heir of all
things. Now I am going to come inside of
you all that have been wiped out in the world war and I’m going to come inside
you as the Heir of the spoils of all the war and I am going to share with you
the spoils of the war. This is not
economic capitalism. This is not
economic communism. This is “spoils of
war” and we are all rich. We don’t
become rich through capitalism or communism.
We become rich because of this war that was performed, and by all of the
spoil that was literally brought in to the house of God to be shared with all
of God’s people. This is the true
economy. So I came down here to pick up
some of these materials, that deal with the warfare, the inheritance, that deal
with the true economy that has already been won.
BELIEVER 5: this type of messages are needed in all of the
universities.
BELIEVER 3: Yes! And BELIEVER 2
has gone ahead and pulled all of these resources together, this is like
armament. We are being equipped to go
out and let people know, “because of Christ you are all dead. All of these crazy relationships: the weird relationships
with the husbands and wives, the employer and employee: you are all dead
already. And if you receive who He
really is, not just Him dying for your sins, not He is not dying for your sins,
He is taking you out, you are gone.” And He says, “I have made you all joint
heirs with me of this war. This is a
whole new kind of economy.”
BELIEVER 5: In the first time I heard this type of thing, because this
is a good version to tell people, that the true war was already won by
God. This is not the first time in to
hear these things in general, but in a detailed way, dealing with all the
aspects of war, this is the first time I’ve heard things like this.
BELIEVER 3: We need to really understand this to the degree that we can
tell anybody about this. SO that anybody
can be involved in it.
BELIEVER 5: yes, because normally Christians are involved in many
things: crusades, this and that, etc.
But this version, that can be expounded to many people or be
dispersed. Normally what is communicated
to the world through television or other media outlets are nonsense news. The moment that we take seriously this
version, to take it to the people, it is going to make people reflect deeply on
these things.
BELIEVER 3: yes, I am going into a meeting tonight with some brothers
with all kinds of backgrounds. One is
from Cypress, and has been involved in war stuff. These guys are trying to figure out how to
survive when things get really bad. I am
going ahead and sharing with them this gospel so that we can go beyond kid’s
games. So we can go beyond thinking
about fancy guns (things for self-defense),
so that they can get involved in what we are talking about. So we bringing in different kinds of
materials to them so we can say, “Hey, this is what has happened. The secret weapon has been revealed, and
everybody is stinking done. And there is
this whole new kind of life at hand, a whole new spoil, we are joint heirs, we
are really rich, and if we will get quickened like we are today, like BELIEVER 4 getting her citizenship for this
purpose, it is all very amazing.”
So BELIEVER 2, we go on trainings
for like 12 hours at a time throughout the night, like getting drafted. “Twenty years old, half a shekel, you’re
in. Here’s Christ you’re weapon. This thing will never jam, it has an
unlimited amount of ammunition.
Unbelievable.
BELIEVER 5: we have soldiers
that have the vocation to be with the Lord.
BELIEVER 3: one of the Revival books talks about this enlisting at age
20, so that we don’t have to be dwarfs, we don’t have to be retarded. We don’t have to fear the draft. This kind of
warfare is unbelievable, this true spiritual warfare, not the jokes and games
that many play, Armageddon or whatever.
I am a little excited about the real war and how it was won.
BELIEVER 5: the war without weapons is what we call it.
BELIEVER 3: oh yes, it is a really clean war.
BELIEVER 5: if we find the method to bring to the people these
materials, that is the secret to win it.
Whatever person that shares the gospel has God inside, that person
transmits God. The problem is that many
times people talk without having God inside.
BELIEVER 3: right, they don’t have the weapon. Here is a wooden stick that looks like a gun,
and the people go, “this is a joke.” It
is a joke. BELIEVER 2 and I feel that
we are really getting right done to the core stuff, so that man, woman, child,
anybody can get involved. If you have
Christ, you can play. So we have been
playing in our households; I had to set a project site to do the munitions,
because it was so intense in the household.
So I set up a thing for about a year, which is pretty well wrapped up,
and now we are getting the materials ready for presentation. Now we are like the Marines that are going in
house to house, opening the doors, house to house, person to person, telling
them about the real war: getting them equipped.
It doesn’t make any difference whether you are a communist or a
socialist, anything, everybody is the same.
It is so amazing. We are praying
to the Lord, “Oh, Lord give us the wisdom to handle these things.” We have a few years, left. I’m 60, your 70, the other is 24, and we are
like, “Oh Lord, here we are. How good
can this get before we graduate.”
BELIEVER 5: I understand from
what I just heard, that if we find a method to bring these things to all the
people to where they can feel that this is the only war that is worth being a
part of.
BELIEVER 3: we have found
ourselves working in homes where there is women and child, while we are
preparing things for the war, and the woman and child are like, “oh my God,
these guys are crazy.” This isn’t the
way that the church tells us.
BELIEVER 5: no, because the church has ancient structures.
BELIEVER 3: yeah, they get Jesus, as a little domestic doll, they got a
plastic Jesus. There is a political
Jesus, there is an economic Jesus. I
have a book named, “No more plastic Jesus.”
The real Jesus, I don’t know if you have any dolls around here. The kids are playing with the dolls, and
Jesus goes, “No, I am going to come inside of you, and be your life.” So, we end up graduating from playing
games. Everybody gets to die and
everybody gets to live anew.
BELIEVER 5: this is a different version to bring the message of God
across to people. This is going to dawn
upon many people.
BELIEVER 3: I have a hat right here that says, “we have found the
weapon of mass destruction.” And it wasn’t
in Iraq. It was in an empty tomb, it was
on a cross. So, we are just having an
afternoon discourse on the dining table.
We are praying for real believers, real men, to know this Christ. This is very simple. Praise the Lord.
BELIEVER 5: So, an arsenal is being prepared to finish the war.
BELIEVER 3: what is happening is that we are getting up to a point in
households and places of critical mass. Critical
mass is where it gets to a certain point and all of the sudden there is a chain
reaction. Pow-pow-pow-pow-pow. Critical mass. We get to a certain point and critical mass
happens and then all of the sudden this reality manifests itself on the earth,
this is Christ showing up in the saints: the Lord of lords, the King of kinds,
and the God of gods. The Lord of
hosts. Then, it’s all over. The revelation of Jesus Christ, this
Christ. Awesome. It is nice having a
little extended time through the cancelation of work today, to be here sharing
this Christ together.
BELIEVER 1: this reminds me of a dream that a brother had over the
great tribulation and at some point he saw the Lord of glory and he understood
how every knee is going to bow when He shows up.
BELIEVER 3: and when we get a revelation of this Christ, like right
now, we bow. I am here today with you
all and because of watching this being submitted to Christ, and being able to
be a part of a company submitted to Christ, this is wonderful. Because there is nobody else in control but
the Lord of hosts.And as He communicates and as He lives the two thirds of the
angels and taking care of the one third in the atmosphere. And this is what we see happening as far as
the air strike. And we are done here
like, “Okay man, I am going to call in an air strike.” And then two thirds of the angels come and
cleans everybody’s clock. And anybody
who has been playing around with that atmosphere they are dysfunctional. They are gone. We are just working out the
mutual understanding of reality.
BELIEVER 5: has anybody else spoken about these things in this way.
BELIEVER 1: I haven’t heard it in a detailed way quite. But it is
because the Lord wants something, He wants us to enlist in His army.
BELIEVER 3: you mean that He is calling us into a relationship with
Himself. Oh, okay. I’ll joke around and say, as I heard BELIEVER 5 say, “have you heard this
before.” As I said, I didn’t know what
was going to happen today but as we were driving back from BELIEVER 4 getting her citizenship, and then
this other place where I was going to be today working, she cancels out, and so
I said, I don’t know what’s going to happen, so we are on overtime. And because of the nature of the way that we
have been living because of this level, doing citizenship stuff. The brothers are now here, and the presence of
this kind of Lord is at hand, and because of the ground that has been prepared,
it provided the opportunity to share this kind of Christ. Because I was born in America, so I
understand this kind of freedom here. As an American I have to say I had to find
out what my real freedom is. Generally
we think of war, and we think, one party kills another party. But when we think of this kind of world
war. But it is not communicated in a
churchy way, it is communicated in a human way, and it is communicated in human
terminology. So when a human being hears
this gospel, you are not hearing, “oh, there’s going to be a war, you better
get ready for the war, and there’s somebody that is that is going to die, and
somebody else is gone to secede.” You
are hearing, “that you all got your clocked cleaned, and it is like the guy
comes up at point blank range and, BANG!”
I’ll use a practical illustration of this. Years ago, I was in a situation and a guy
didn’t like what was going on. I was
drunk and I watched the guy (clean my clock on the chin), hit me so stinkin
hard that I felt, he knocked me out and then I felt my body going to the
ground, and my lights were fading out on the way down. I am done at this point, at the point of
contact. My last thoughts are as I am
going down to the ground was, “man I just hope that I don’t get my head stomped
and get mutilated or destroyed. I am done.”
So I said that to say this. This
gospel is so good it is like, BOOM! I’m
dead. If you hear the gospel and you
don’t go “I’m dead.” You have heard the
gospel yet. And then you are not
wondering whether you are going to get your head kicked in on the ground, you
hear that He is going to raise the dead, and you go down with that.
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