Fellowship with Brother Leo December 2010

Fellowship with Brothers in Mexico

December 2010

LEO: Then we say thanks that I sanctified myself, this is impossible, because no one will glory in His presence.  He is the One who saves, by faith, and He prepared works beforehand in Yahshua, so that we would walk in them.  Beloved, in Him we are complete.  In Yahshua we are complete.  We don’t need self-initiative; self-initiative is satanic.   Self-initiative was awakened within man when Adam and Eve ate of the devil.  Because when they ate of the tree of knowledge, what they really ate was Satan.  If they would have eaten the tree of Life they would have eaten Yahshua, and with Him all the works prepared beforehand, so that the redeemed would produce absolutely nothing by their own initiative.  Let us turn to 1 Corinthians 1:29-31,

“so that no one might boast in His presence.  And because of Him you are in the Messiah Yahshua, who became to us wisdom from Elohim, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

He is who saves, and He is also the One who prepared works beforehand so that we might walk in them.  It is not possible that we try to overcome Satan and the demons, as if the Lord had not overcome them already on the cross.  These spiritual fights don’t come from the Lord; Satan is the one who promotes these types of battles.  How is it that we continue to fight like this with a defeated enemy. Read Colossians 2:14-15.

“canceling the written ordinance that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.  He disarmed the principalities and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in in the cross.”

The spiritual warfare that false brothers promote is satanic.  How can we continue fighting against someone that the Lord overcame.  It is like the Israelites, wanting to overcome the giants, when the Lord had overcame then from before the foundation of the world.  Because of this mistakenness, they had to die in the desert.  There are many of our brothers that talk about these spiritual warfares; they are dying in the desert.  The letter to the Hebrews 2:14:

“Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil.”

The devil is already destroyed.  The devil is already destroyed and overcome.  To promote spiritual warfare is to go against, to go completely against the work that He completed beforehand.  The only thing that needs to be found in our heart is thankfulness, for our great Salvation and for the works that He prepared beforehand.  I beg to the Lord that He give to us a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge, not of the bible, but of the Person of the Lord Yahshua, through Whom all of the work has been finished.  When He was on the cross, who of His declarations was, “It is finished.”  Having overcome Satan, having overcome the demons, having overcome the authority of Satan, having overcome sins and sicknesses, He declared, “It is finished.”  In other words, the works are already finished. Why do we beg for the Red Sea to open if it is already opened?  Why do we beg the Lord to overcome a devil that is already defeated?  Why do we ask Him to sanctify us if we already have Sanctification.  Brothers, let us turn our heart to the Lord.  Brothers, let us beg that the Ruah Ha Kodesh would truly govern us.  Leave behind walking around in our imaginations.  Leave behind walking in our good doctrines.  Let us leave behind walking around in our human considerations, and turn our hearts to Elohim, being truly converted to the Lord.  We need a genuine conversion.  This moment is the moment to experience the part of the book of Acts, when it talks of a genuine repentance.  We need the Lord.  Repent and convert, so that your sins may be washed away.  And what we need to repent from is thinking that we can overcome Satan, from thinking that we can sanctify ourselves by much fasting, prayer, and biblical lessons.  This offends the Lord.  The work is consummated.  It is consummated.  It is not by works, but it is by works.  It is not by works, but yes, it is by works.  It is not by self-initiated works, but it is by works, those that He prepared beforehand, so that we would walk in them.  The works of the Israelites, Yahweh completed them from before the foundation of the world.  And the works of the overcomers were consummated in Yahshua.  It is consummated. 

LD: I thank the Lord for the things that He is doing, for the sharing of brother LEO.  I don’t want to add anything concerning the works, I also believe that He completed the works beforehand; He completed them before the foundation of the world.  I wanted to say something regarding the demons, that He overcome this in the cross of Calvary, triumphing over them opening.  There is a question and a consideration that I put on the table for the brothers.  If He finished everything, and overcome the devil, why are we not seeing that worked out.  I want to say three things.  The first thing, is that He overcame them through death.  If we consider ourselves dead, we overcome the devil.  But if we still consider ourselves alive, the devil has power over our flesh.  The still has power over our soul.  He doesn’t have power over the spirit.  What did the apostle Paul say in Romans 5-8?  We need to understand that the apostle Paul established and lived in his flesh what is called the crisis, the transition from the old humanity to the new humanity.  If we don’t understand this process, even though the Lord has overcome everything, we cannot have the inheritance.  If we see in the book of Romans what the Lord shows us.  In chapter 6 it shows what we are, the fundamentals.  There we see that we have an identification with Christ, identification with Yahshua the Messiah.  And what is the Messiah, crushed to pieces, brokenness.  In verse 1-4 in chapter 6:

“What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?  Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into the Messiah Yahshua were baptized into his death? 

Nobody wants to be baptized into His death.  Paul says, “ I fill up the want of sufferings of The Messiah in my flesh.”  So, He did everything, but our part, because this corresponds to each one.  Paul said in Romans 12 “living sacrifices.”  Who wants to be a living sacrifice?  This is not in our flesh, to be a living sacrifice. 

“We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death,”

So, if we have believed that everything has been consummated it says that we have been buried.  Who has seen the dead speak?  Who has seen the dead react if you pinch them? 

“in order that, just as Yahshua was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

Here it says that in order that Yahshua the Messiah who was raised from the dead.  Our faith is based on the resurrection of a dead person.  If we don’t consider ourselves dead how are we going to enjoy the newness of life.  We are saying that all things have been accomplished.

BE: Doesn’t say that “our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and power in the heavenly realms?”

LD: Yes, and I am going to that point.  Paul in the book of Ephesians 6:12 it talks of the spiritual warfare, and in chapter 4 it says that “He gave some to be apostles, some prophets, and other evangelists, etc. UNTIL, UNTIL the unity of the Spirit.”  We have one Spirit, one Faith, one Lord, one God.  What are we talking about?  Are we talking about the Father, Son, and the Spirit?  Are we talking about the three are one?  I pray that they may be one as You and I are one, Father.  So when we are dealing with “It is finished,” if the root is holy all the rest is holy.  If He is the first-born of many brethren, where is the Lord taking us?  To be co-partakers of what?Of the glory, but before the glory to be co-partakers of His death, before being co-partakers of His resurrection, of the newness of life.  And this life is not the human life, the life that we received from Adam, it is the life that Yahshua, came and became man and was crushed.  All of His human nature was crushed. 

LEO: What my brother here has shared is very glorious.  How does this work?  It says in Hebrews 4, “Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it.”

It is true that the scripture says that our warfare is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers.  Even though it is a fight, it is not a fight to overcome.  It is a fight to not be taken out of the realm of Life.  Our fight is not to overcome something, that would be contrary to what the scripture says, and against the inner testimony that we have.  If we have died together with Yahshua, if we have been buried together with Him in His death, our fight is not to overcome, but to not to give opportunity to the enemy to distract us or take us out of the realm of life.  If you all agree when we see the fight of the Israelites in the old testament when they were persecuted by the Midianites and they entered into a territory of lentils.  The fight of the Israelites was to not leave their atmosphere; if they would leave that atmosphere, Satan would exercise power over them, like my brother has shared truly.  So our fight is not to overcome them, like Paul says, “don’t give a foothold to the devil.”  How do we give place to the devil?  By not abiding in the thoughts of Yahshua, and passing the time in our own thoughts, in that place Satan has all authority to overcome us.  So our fight is not to overcome, but to abide in the atmosphere that the Lord has translated us into (Col. 1:13).  What this brother has shared, if we don’t abide there, we are overcome. 

BE: We have the battle of Satan in our flesh.  We are chosen and elected by the Lord in just one act we come to possession of the other side.  And that moment the fight begins.

LEO: It is equal to what happened with Israel.  In Israel, only two men, Joshua and Caleb, only those two survived in the atmosphere of the consummated works.  The rest, not only the spies, but the other two million Israelites maintained themselves in their own thoughts.  Those died, while Joshua and Caleb who did not allow Satan to take them out of that atmosphere, and they were overcomers.  So there fight was not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers that wanted to convince them to leave the atmosphere.  So what our brother shared with us is key.  Our atmosphere is death of Yahshua.  However, Satan fights to take us out of that atmosphere. And this fight is not to overcome them, but that not even for one moment would we allow Satan bewitch us. 

LD: Brother Leo said, “brothers the testimony is given by the Spirit, not by us.  Yahshua said, “the Father gives testimony regarding me.”  Yahshua didn’t say, “I am in the spirit.”  In other words, it is not in us to say that we are in the Spirit.  Because the Spirit is the one who gives the testimony.  The Father gives testimony of the Son, and the Son testifies of the Father, and the Spirit gives testimony to the Son.  So we cannot attribute this to ourselves.  Paul said, “If you think you stand, take head lest you fall.”  I don’t believe I am firm.  No one is firm.  The only One that is firm is the Son.  And He has been given all power of heaven and on earth and under the earth.  But brothers, if we are dealing with what is called the consummated work of Yahshua, and we say all has been consummated, so what is the problem.  The problem is that we don’t want to go to the death of Yahshua and be co-partakers of the death of Yahshua.  Because before we die we need to suffer.  I have not seen one, who dying without suffer.  Paul said, I fill up that which is lacking of the suffering of Christ.  Why did Paul say this if Christ did everything.  Paul did this, and the Spirit allowed that it be written down, because there is a part that we have to do.  If we don’t want to, that a different matter.But He works in us the “to will” and the “to do.”  But before we say that we resist the devil, there is a clear word that has not been spoken: “Submit to God.”  The problem is that we don’t submit, and from there it says, “resist the devil.”  If we submit to God, all the promises are “yes, and amen.”  But like brother Leo said that the devil fights that we would leave the atmosphere of the death of Yahshua. 

BE: Only the flesh resists it.

LD: It is not only the flesh that resists it.  This has happened in this fellowship this afternoon.  We don’t want Him to govern or that He would completely be LORD.  Because one this is to say, “God,” and to recognize that He is God.  But it is another thing to say “Lord.”  God is for all, but Lord is for your life.  He is Elohim; He is the creator of all things.  So, Romans 6:5 applies here:

I cannot be complete without brother Leo.  We cannot be complete because have something.  But the only one who is going to make us understand this is the Spirit. 

“For if we have grown together with him in the likeness of His death, we shall certainly be united with him in the likeness of His resurrection.”

In the likeness of His death, because we cannot liken our death with His, but we have the likeness of His death.  It says that we were created in His image and likeness.  He is the great I AM, the One who is.  What is the likeness of His resurrection?  The first fruits that God wants. Because we know that all have been overcome, but one part is not overcome.  We cannot change that, it is what the scripture says.  He is seeking the first fruits.  How is that going to happen?  It will happen if we allow Him.  But before allow Him we need to need to KNOW…and that is where verse 6 comes in.

“We know that our old self[a] was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.”

Fellowship January 17th, 2013 (One Died for all, therefore all died)

One Died for all, therefore all died....

01/17/2013

BELIEVER 5: I grew up in Catholicism, but I began to question it when I learned history better.   I came to the United States when I was 60, and I saw how the people moved on the weekends.  3 of my 4 children were Christians by this time, just me and my wife continued in Catholicism.  I visited about 8 to 9 churches, some in English and some in Spanish, and a friend gave me a bible.  It was in Spanish.  That was another frustration of the catholic church, was that everything was in Latin.  The people didn’t understand anything, just doing repetition.  There were monks and priests in my family, and I began to question them.  I said, “why are all the riches of South America in the hands of the church?”  Only the people that are involved in the church have a lot of money.  Things can’t change with that kind of system in power.  This is what made me suffer a lot growing up, growing up in a country like Ecuador, who is the number one exporter of bananas in the world, since 70 years ago.  We have oil like Mexico; there are only 13 million people, it’s small.  If the political parties would handle things justly, there would not be any hunger or poverty.  I found a lot of these things when I read the communistic and socialistic books.  When one lives in the world like God had me, to not be a miserable person, a person that greedy and uncompassionate person; to see this makes me unhappy with my country.  When I lost my son, I lost the energy to work, to progress in life.  I came here and everybody complained about how much we work in the U.S.  It is the same as everywhere us.  I don’t believe in complaining, and I don’t believe people work to much here.  Everybody works the same in all parts of the world.  The South and Central American countries have the worst disease in the whole world: the social prejudice.  I taught my kids to sit at a table with wine, and to sit on the floor and eat potatoes.  Usually the people have a little more money than others look at the people with their nose in the air.  A poor person can’t go to a restaurant, even if they have the ability to pay.  It is similar to what happened in the U.S. against black people.  I learned more of what the world is through these things .

BELIEVER 3: and as your speaking, having seen this type of situation myself, I asked myself, “what is the solution to these things?” And when I started knowing Christ as the One that knocked out everybody: the oppressed person, He knocks out the oppressor.  He eliminates the whole system of oppression.  He wipes out everybody, and He wipes out all of the bad relationships.  And when the oppressor and the oppressed have Christ in them, then there is the potential of the New Man, and the new relationship: no oppression.  No oppression, and potentially One New Man.  I am so excited that Christ intends to live in the oppressor and the oppressed. 

BELIEVER 5: righteousness is this.  And there are good Castellano terms, one is “temperance is of God.” It is finer than prudence.  There are good authors that talk about equilibrium.

BELIEVER 3: Yes, equal.  Equal because Christ is in this one and Christ is in that one.

BELIEVER 5: therefore, I was crazy to figure out what communism and socialism were in reality.  Because many get involved in it without really knowing what those concepts or movements are.  From that point, of really finding out what they were, I started to defend the United States (because those systems don’t work either).  I saw what happened in the Soviet Union.  There are many republicans and communists joined together within them.

BELIEVER 3: yes, they have a counterfeit new man. 

BELIEVER 5: I went there, and they have a lot of Jews.  A lot of Jews went there before the revolution. 

BELIEVER 1: a lot went there from Poland whenever Poland was divided.  Many went to the United States and Russia.

BELIEVER 3: I am just focusing right in on the basis of Christ the True New Man, Who cancels the structured system of inequality.  He cancels the system by putting an end to everyone.  So when He terminates everyone there is no more socialism, capitalism, or communism, because there is no more people.  And when He comes to live in each person, then I see the true relationship between Christ in the poor person and Christ in the rich person, there is really only Christ.  And this to me is the solution for world peace.

BELIEVER 5; because God accomplished equality in Him, and there is no discrimination. 

BELIEVER 3: yes, yes, yes, this is wonderful.

Believer 5: after reading Marx, Engels, Hegel, and many others, I learned something of what is social justice.

BELIEVER 3: yes, and then Jesus goes I am going to die and take you all out. You are all gone.  Those are My politics.  And I am going to have a Kingdom, and I am going ot be your life.

BELIEVER 5: it is not only Witness Lee that talks this.  You  BELIEVER 1 didn’t grow up in a generation were all of these things were being worked out in society.  We, being a little older, saw the working out of all this, and until now, the only country that half way works under socialism is Cuba. There are good doctors and music from Cuba.  But apart from this, what have they offered to the world?  Nothing.

BELIEVER 3: Don’t we enjoy the real world war.  Where Jesus allows Himself to be crucified, and the world war, not where one group kills the other one and takes control of the other one, but the world war where everyone dies!  Everyone dies in this world war.  What a wonderful world war where everyone is annihilated.  I love this world war. 

BELIEVER 5: it is a blessing to see the things in the way that you are putting it.  It is nice.

BELIEVER 1: it is what the bible says to.  He is only putting things in this way, but Paul put the things in this way.

BELIEVER 3: where do they teach war like this?  Where are the generals that understand how the war works?

BELIEVER 5: not in the seminaries where all of the famous pastors attend teach history in that type of way.

BELIEVER 3: Only the Lord teaches us this.  He says, “I am the general, I am the secret weapon, I am going to take you all out.” 

BELIEVER 1: like Bush said, the weapon of mass destruction.

BELIEVER 3: yes, like the Lord is saying, I am the weapon of mass destruction.  The question is, have they found the weapon of mass destruction? 

BELIEVER 5: God has demonstrated to us that when the people say that they want to invade Iraq to better it and reconstruct it, that that wasn’t true.  People went there for their own interests.  

BELIEVER 1: of course, because those men are still part of the old man.

                                                                                                                                                                                              

BELIEVER 3: Yes, and so the gospel is that Jesus is the weapon of mass destruction.  This is the good news.  And then, because our faith is in the resurrection of the dead, then He goes, “half the good news is, I am going to kill everybody.”  And everybody is like, “Wow!”  “But the better new is that I am going to raise them all from the dead and there is going to be world peace.  Then He goes, “so where are my soldiers, where are my people that are going to carry out this warfare?”

BELIEVER 1: that is the gospel, that Jesus is the weapon of mass destruction that killed everyone.

BELIEVER 3: yeah, He is so good.

BELIEVER 1: that wouldn’t sound like the gospel if…if…

BELIEVER 3: if you didn’t understand how bad it was.  Because this structured system of social inequality is so demonic.  This is the devil living in one group of people  making them feel superior over another group of people.  So when Jesus goes ahead and rids the land of this tyrant, He goes in and just wipes everybody out, and then comes into everybody and brings everybody back from the dead.  This is what’s up. This is what we are involved with.  And then having the kind of materials to communicate with people and to bring them the reality that the war is over.  And then to go and to say to all the people that are dead in Christ, “Oh by the way, you are heirs of God.”  The spoil of the war is, “Oh, I’ve got all the people back, I have the entire earth, I’ve been appointed the heir of all things (Hebrews 1:2).  I have been appointed the heir of all things.  Now I am going to come inside of you all that have been wiped out in the world war and I’m going to come inside you as the Heir of the spoils of all the war and I am going to share with you the spoils of the war.  This is not economic capitalism.  This is not economic communism.  This is “spoils of war” and we are all rich.  We don’t become rich through capitalism or communism.  We become rich because of this war that was performed, and by all of the spoil that was literally brought in to the house of God to be shared with all of God’s people.  This is the true economy.  So I came down here to pick up some of these materials, that deal with the warfare, the inheritance, that deal with the true economy that has already been won.

BELIEVER 5: this type of messages are needed in all of the universities. 

BELIEVER 3: Yes! And  BELIEVER 2 has gone ahead and pulled all of these resources together, this is like armament.  We are being equipped to go out and let people know, “because of Christ you are all dead.  All of these crazy relationships: the weird relationships with the husbands and wives, the employer and employee: you are all dead already.  And if you receive who He really is, not just Him dying for your sins, not He is not dying for your sins, He is taking you out, you are gone.” And He says, “I have made you all joint heirs with me of this war.  This is a whole new kind of economy.”

BELIEVER 5: In the first time I heard this type of thing, because this is a good version to tell people, that the true war was already won by God.  This is not the first time in to hear these things in general, but in a detailed way, dealing with all the aspects of war, this is the first time I’ve heard things like this. 

BELIEVER 3: We need to really understand this to the degree that we can tell anybody about this.  SO that anybody can be involved in it. 

BELIEVER 5: yes, because normally Christians are involved in many things: crusades, this and that, etc.  But this version, that can be expounded to many people or be dispersed.  Normally what is communicated to the world through television or other media outlets are nonsense news.  The moment that we take seriously this version, to take it to the people, it is going to make people reflect deeply on these things. 

BELIEVER 3: yes, I am going into a meeting tonight with some brothers with all kinds of backgrounds.  One is from Cypress, and has been involved in war stuff.  These guys are trying to figure out how to survive when things get really bad.  I am going ahead and sharing with them this gospel so that we can go beyond kid’s games.  So we can go beyond thinking about fancy guns (things for self-defense),  so that they can get involved in what we are talking about.  So we bringing in different kinds of materials to them so we can say, “Hey, this is what has happened.  The secret weapon has been revealed, and everybody is stinking done.  And there is this whole new kind of life at hand, a whole new spoil, we are joint heirs, we are really rich, and if we will get quickened like we are today, like  BELIEVER 4 getting her citizenship for this purpose, it is all very amazing.”  So  BELIEVER 2, we go on trainings for like 12 hours at a time throughout the night, like getting drafted.  “Twenty years old, half a shekel, you’re in.  Here’s Christ you’re weapon.  This thing will never jam, it has an unlimited amount of ammunition.  Unbelievable.

BELIEVER 5:  we have soldiers that have the vocation to be with the Lord.

BELIEVER 3: one of the Revival books talks about this enlisting at age 20, so that we don’t have to be dwarfs, we don’t have to be retarded.  We don’t have to fear the draft. This kind of warfare is unbelievable, this true spiritual warfare, not the jokes and games that many play, Armageddon or whatever.  I am a little excited about the real war and how it was won. 

BELIEVER 5: the war without weapons is what we call it.

BELIEVER 3: oh yes, it is a really clean war. 

BELIEVER 5: if we find the method to bring to the people these materials, that is the secret to win it.  Whatever person that shares the gospel has God inside, that person transmits God.  The problem is that many times people talk without having God inside.

BELIEVER 3: right, they don’t have the weapon.  Here is a wooden stick that looks like a gun, and the people go, “this is a joke.”  It is a joke.   BELIEVER 2 and I feel that we are really getting right done to the core stuff, so that man, woman, child, anybody can get involved.  If you have Christ, you can play.  So we have been playing in our households; I had to set a project site to do the munitions, because it was so intense in the household.  So I set up a thing for about a year, which is pretty well wrapped up, and now we are getting the materials ready for presentation.  Now we are like the Marines that are going in house to house, opening the doors, house to house, person to person, telling them about the real war: getting them equipped.  It doesn’t make any difference whether you are a communist or a socialist, anything, everybody is the same.  It is so amazing.  We are praying to the Lord, “Oh, Lord give us the wisdom to handle these things.”  We have a few years, left.  I’m 60, your 70, the other is 24, and we are like, “Oh Lord, here we are.  How good can this get before we graduate.” 

BELIEVER 5:  I understand from what I just heard, that if we find a method to bring these things to all the people to where they can feel that this is the only war that is worth being a part of. 

BELIEVER 3:  we have found ourselves working in homes where there is women and child, while we are preparing things for the war, and the woman and child are like, “oh my God, these guys are crazy.”  This isn’t the way that the church tells us.

BELIEVER 5: no, because the church has ancient structures.

BELIEVER 3: yeah, they get Jesus, as a little domestic doll, they got a plastic Jesus.  There is a political Jesus, there is an economic Jesus.  I have a book named, “No more plastic Jesus.”  The real Jesus, I don’t know if you have any dolls around here.  The kids are playing with the dolls, and Jesus goes, “No, I am going to come inside of you, and be your life.”  So, we end up graduating from playing games.  Everybody gets to die and everybody gets to live anew. 

BELIEVER 5: this is a different version to bring the message of God across to people.  This is going to dawn upon many people.

BELIEVER 3: I have a hat right here that says, “we have found the weapon of mass destruction.”  And it wasn’t in Iraq.  It was in an empty tomb, it was on a cross.  So, we are just having an afternoon discourse on the dining table.  We are praying for real believers, real men, to know this Christ.  This is very simple.  Praise the Lord. 

BELIEVER 5: So, an arsenal is being prepared to finish the war. 

BELIEVER 3: what is happening is that we are getting up to a point in households and places of critical mass.  Critical mass is where it gets to a certain point and all of the sudden there is a chain reaction.  Pow-pow-pow-pow-pow.  Critical mass.  We get to a certain point and critical mass happens and then all of the sudden this reality manifests itself on the earth, this is Christ showing up in the saints: the Lord of lords, the King of kinds, and the God of gods.  The Lord of hosts.  Then, it’s all over.  The revelation of Jesus Christ, this Christ.  Awesome. It is nice having a little extended time through the cancelation of work today, to be here sharing this Christ together. 

BELIEVER 1: this reminds me of a dream that a brother had over the great tribulation and at some point he saw the Lord of glory and he understood how every knee is going to bow when He shows up.

BELIEVER 3: and when we get a revelation of this Christ, like right now, we bow.  I am here today with you all and because of watching this being submitted to Christ, and being able to be a part of a company submitted to Christ, this is wonderful.  Because there is nobody else in control but the Lord of hosts.And as He communicates and as He lives the two thirds of the angels and taking care of the one third in the atmosphere.  And this is what we see happening as far as the air strike.  And we are done here like, “Okay man, I am going to call in an air strike.”  And then two thirds of the angels come and cleans everybody’s clock.  And anybody who has been playing around with that atmosphere they are dysfunctional.  They are gone. We are just working out the mutual understanding of reality.

BELIEVER 5: has anybody else spoken about these things in this way.

BELIEVER 1: I haven’t heard it in a detailed way quite. But it is because the Lord wants something, He wants us to enlist in His army.

BELIEVER 3: you mean that He is calling us into a relationship with Himself.  Oh, okay.  I’ll joke around and say, as I heard  BELIEVER 5 say, “have you heard this before.”  As I said, I didn’t know what was going to happen today but as we were driving back from  BELIEVER 4 getting her citizenship, and then this other place where I was going to be today working, she cancels out, and so I said, I don’t know what’s going to happen, so we are on overtime.  And because of the nature of the way that we have been living because of this level, doing citizenship stuff.  The brothers are now here, and the presence of this kind of Lord is at hand, and because of the ground that has been prepared, it provided the opportunity to share this kind of Christ.  Because I was born in America, so I understand this kind of freedom here. As an American I have to say I had to find out what my real freedom is.  Generally we think of war, and we think, one party kills another party.  But when we think of this kind of world war.  But it is not communicated in a churchy way, it is communicated in a human way, and it is communicated in human terminology.  So when a human being hears this gospel, you are not hearing, “oh, there’s going to be a war, you better get ready for the war, and there’s somebody that is that is going to die, and somebody else is gone to secede.”  You are hearing, “that you all got your clocked cleaned, and it is like the guy comes up at point blank range and, BANG!” 

I’ll use a practical illustration of this.  Years ago, I was in a situation and a guy didn’t like what was going on.  I was drunk and I watched the guy (clean my clock on the chin), hit me so stinkin hard that I felt, he knocked me out and then I felt my body going to the ground, and my lights were fading out on the way down.  I am done at this point, at the point of contact.  My last thoughts are as I am going down to the ground was, “man I just hope that I don’t get my head stomped and get mutilated or destroyed. I am done.”  So I said that to say this.  This gospel is so good it is like, BOOM!  I’m dead.  If you hear the gospel and you don’t go “I’m dead.”  You have heard the gospel yet.  And then you are not wondering whether you are going to get your head kicked in on the ground, you hear that He is going to raise the dead, and you go down with that. 

Fellowship July 9th, 2013 (Red Heifer)

Fellowship in the Household of Faith

06/09/2013

BELIEVER 5: in Christ we are more ready than ever to enjoy this eternal life with one another. I am just thanking the Lord for His spirit, that we have one life. We have one hope, one faith, one Father, one body, and we are just enjoying this oneness.  And we are enjoying this in Jesus' name, and our relationship with our Father. So what's the first course on the menu brothers and sisters?

(BELIEVER 7 is going to offer the first course of the night's meal)

BELIEVER 7: Sharing from Two Kinds of Righteousness by E.W. Kenyon

Chapter 12 RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH

THE church does not appreciate what she is as declared in the Word. We have been taught that we were unworthy and unrighteous, that we were weak and had no faith, for so long that it has become a chronic disease. We look with fear upon any message that brings relief unless it is a message of works. If we could sacrifice something, if we could pray long enough and hard enough, if we could confess our sins enough, then in some way we might get straightened out in our spiritual life. The whole thing is wrong.

Righteousness comes by faith. It is not gained by works, by repentance, by crying or by weeping. Neither does it come by the way of begging. It comes only by the way of faith.

Man has always sought to get Righteousness by works. If we thought we could become the Righteousness of God by praying for a certain number of hours, we would do it. If we were told that someone had obtained Righteousness by confessing all their sins since childhood and by making restitution for them, we would be willing to make the effort.

Righteousness does not come that way. It comes by faith. Not by your work but by Christ's work. Not by your tears but by the tears of Christ. If every one of us knew that we have Righteousness in us, we would become entirely independent of circumstances.

If we were as conscious of being the Righteousness of God as we are conscious of being weak and unworthy, we would not be sick any longer, we would not be held in bondage to want and poverty.

If we were as conscious of our Identification with Jesus Christ and our oneness with Him as we are conscious of physical pain and physical need, we would never have pain and we would never mention our needs again. This new sense of Righteousness, this new fact of Righteousness, this new discovery of our being the Righteousness of God in Christ gives us a new sense of freedom in Christ. It utterly destroys the Sin Consciousness and the Weakness Consciousness and the Want Consciousness. In their place has come the all absorbing reality of Christ. We know that He is our Righteousness and that we are the Righteousness of God in Him.

He is with us in all His ability and strength, in all His completeness and fullness. We are not afraid of circumstances. He whispers, "Fear thou not, for I am with thee; be not dismayed, for I am thy God; I will strengthen thee ; yea, I will help thee ; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness." He is with us. He is the God of the New Creation. He is our strength. He is upholding us with His Righteousness. We cannot fail. We cannot be kept in bondage.

This gives us a new liberty in prayer, a new sense of authority as sons and daughters of God to use the Name of Jesus, a new joy in fellowship with the Father. There is a new freshness in the Word. It has become literally His Word to us. Its absoluteness grips our hearts. We may not have realized it before but the Father and Jesus are speaking to us. The Word is the voice of the Father. He is not speaking to multitudes. He is speaking to each one of us. He declares that we have become the Righteousness of God in Him. We know that we are what He declares us to be.

Then there comes a new sense of mastery. We are coming into our rights, our legal rights in Christ. Our steps are sure now. No longer is there any uncertainty. We are not afraid of what the day may bring forth. We know what it means when He says, "Greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world." We know what it means when He says, "Ye are of God, my little children, and have overcome them." He is talking to us. The sense of mastery, the strange new dignity of sonship, sweeps over our hearts. We understand what it means to be under orders from heaven. We are ambassadors. We are clothed with authority from heaven. Luke 24:49, "But tarry ye in the city, until ye be clothed with ability from on high." Now we understand what Jesus meant when He said that demons and the forces of darkness would be subject to us. Weakness, fear of failure-the little kingdoms that once ruled the world have been subordinated by Jesus Christ. Jesus conquered Satan. Every Satan-ruled force is subject to His Name.

He put Satan and all his works under our feet. Now we know what Redemption means. We know we have become "the fullness of Him that filleth all in all." We know that "of His fullness have we all received and grace upon grace. We know that we have received "the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness." We reign as kings in the realm of life through Jesus Christ. We begin to understand I Cor. 12:3, "And no man can say, Jesus is Lord, but in the Holy Spirit." Now we say it as New Creations conscious of our standing and our rights. Satan's dominion has been broken. The Lordship of Jesus has begun. We shall not want because we are one with Him. He is the Vine, we are the branches. We are the fruit bearing portion of the Vine. We are His lips! We are His hands! We are living with Him. He is living in us unseen but real. We walk with Him. All this Righteousness gives us.

BELIEVER 5: this is so good to hear it all so clearly. BELIEVER 7 this is wonderful that you pulled this material out to read.

BELIEVER 7: thank you Lord for all the goodness to give us these things. 

BELIEVER 4: is there an appreciation of this by anyone before we move on. BELIEVER 5 you can start, just to get started.

BELIEVER 5: well, whether we are talking about righteousness or the image and likeness of God, it appears as though Jesus Christ has restored the righteousness that we need; He has restored the image that we need. Where there is His Holy Spirit, we have been supplied with everything that we need to be able to experience abundant life. And I will just leave it there for now and desire to hear from others, and their expression of their enjoyment.

BELIEVER 3: I'm trying to find a little part in this book that I read two or three days ago that matches this. I can't find it. 

BELIEVER 5: you have many thoughts as far as what was said, maybe I know where it is?

BELIEVER 3: it has to do with something along the lines of Jesus becoming sin so that we might become righteous, or Jesus tasting death so that we might have life. (Later I found it: "As surely as God made Jesus sin, God made us righteous the moment we accepted him.")

BELIEVER 5: was it dealing with His love nature. And I'm not trying to distract your thought, Kenyon does have some unique terms as far as how he expresses this life.

BELIEVER 3: he talks about, and this goes together with something else that I was reviewing tonight when he says, "man has always sought to get righteousness by works." But even how in the Old Testament, even though it was called the age of grace, still there was no righteousness apart from the shedding of blood. I think it is Leviticus 17 where it talks about apart from the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. And we don't get righteousness apart from blood being shed. So that was even in the Old Testament, righteousness never had anything to do with completing the law. Maybe that first system of animal sacrifice was called the law, but it was still the shedding of blood.

BELIEVER 5: when you think of the shedding of blood, what is your concept of blood shedding? Now just as a human being, BELIEVER 3, what do you think of when blood, or somebody dying?

BELIEVER 3: well blood shedding or dying, I think of blood shedding of actual like they cut the animal and its blood came out, and they had to sprinkle the blood, or burn the blood, it's like the pouring out of the blood.

BELIEVER 5: let me be more specific as we get into this and say, why is this animal dying? Why? What is the reason? Why is this animal dying?

BELIEVER 3: so that people can righteously have fellowship with God.

BELIEVER 5: But why? Why would the shedding of blood, the death of this animal bring that about?

BELIEVER 3: the only answer I have is because God requires blood for sin. To cover sin.

BELIEVER 5: what kind of sin?

BELIEVER 3: I think just sin in general.

BELIEVER 5: have you ever thought of a person, that there wasn't something he did wrong, but the person did something good, and that was sin. And so somebody had died because somebody did something good. Have you ever thought about that one?

BELIEVER 3: somebody had to die because someone did something good?

BELIEVER 5: yes for something good. You said about sin, you know, like as if they did something wrong.

BELIEVER 3: well yes like the Bible says that whenever a baby is born there had to be a sin offering. So birth is not a bad thing, but there still had to be an offering for the newborn baby.

BELIEVER 5: yeah, so I am asking the question, what's that about, that offering thing with the baby being born? That seems like a positive thing. Right? So let me ask you, with the people who eat the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, some of them did good and some of them did evil, but all of it's death, then are we understanding that when somebody does something without God that it is sin?

BELIEVER 3: it's death

BELIEVER 5: yeah, but when somebody does something good without God, that's sin isn't it?

BELIEVER 3: yes

BELIEVER 4: this part is really good, and we do not understand this.

BELIEVER 5: yes, where is our capacity to understand this side of the battle.  BELIEVER 3, could you imagine that if we did something without God we would say, "Oh, I feel so bad." There needs to be a solution for this, "I've done something good without God."

BELIEVER 4: BELIEVER 5 went to the fundamental place with something that we still do not understand. For example, this is for all and we do not understand this, unless God reveals it to us and he allows us to experience it. He said, but in the moment that we do something good in ourselves it is still sin.

BELIEVER 5: you mean without God, without the Father? As we are operating independently? 

BELIEVER 4: this is something really deep that is beyond our human capacity to understand.

BELIEVER 5: but BELIEVER 4, isn't it wonderful that we can at least hear it, with our ears? We are pronouncing this objectively, we are hearing this even though we might not know what it means. Isn't this awesome?

BELIEVER 4: if we do something in ourselves apart from the Father it is sin. This is hard to understand. Today BELIEVER 2 said to me, "you think everything is bad." We were talking about the music.  He said to me, "if someone sings Christian music, is the person singing Christian music fallen are they not fallen?"  He was listening to another type of music.

BELIEVER 5: hey, what is Christian music? This just rubs me the wrong way, as you said Christian music. If it is music that comes from the Father, that is wonderful. If it isn't, what the heck is it? Excuse me. I think it should be termed secular Christian music.

BELIEVER 4: let's slow down a minute, I love BELIEVER 5 how you have put the things tonight, regarding even if we do good we are still in sin. Any human being, even a Christian who is not moving in obedience to the Father is in sin.

BELIEVER 5: yes filthy rags

BELIEVER 4: the point is not what is good or bad, the point is that we depend upon the Father. And the only one who depends upon the Father is Christ in us.

BELIEVER 5: and Christ as us.

BELIEVER 4: for this to be a real, we have to consent that He show us this. Because if not we are going to continue in the way of good works. The most important thing is not if we do good or bad, it is that we abide in fellowship with the Father.

BELIEVER 5: how about it. There is only one standard? Hallelujah. Now, BELIEVER 3, if we sang with the tongue of men and of angels, but we do not have the love of the Father, has it got any profitability to it? (BELIEVER 3: No) 

BELIEVER 4: I am going to put some seasoning on this.  When preparing a great feast tonight, with meat, everything seasoned. We are enjoying a wonderful feast with different kinds of food, but these different foods have only one element in all of them, and this one element is the love of the Father. The love of the Father and His children. The seasoning is starting to get really good, and the fire is starting to grow, like the roasted lamb. So we need to just consent to this roasted lamb, like one brings roasted lamb, the other brings of bitter herbs... But everything has the element of Christ.

BELIEVER 5: and His submission to the Father is the sweetness isn't it.

BELIEVER 4: so if we allow it, and consent to the Father in each one of us, and then there's just one flow in the meeting, we just have one product and we have the opportunity to say the same thing that Christ said, "my food is to do the will of My Father."

BELIEVER 5: I love being with the other sons and daughters, not just brothers and sisters.

BELIEVER 4: so this is the continuation of what the Father is ready to do in any human being that is prepared to eat this roasted lamb, for each one of us, all of us who have died, all of us who have resurrected, we all enjoy the same food. So before we keep going, I just want to put one more pinch of seasoning from what I enjoyed today. I reviewed from our brother Martin Luther King Jr.'s I have a dream. In one of the chapters it talks about the power of nonviolence. When he talks about the agape love. I'm going to take the part that is really good. He says, according to the word, agape love stands for creative, redemptive goodwill for all men. But the biblical theologians say that is the love of God. It is an overflowing love that seeks nothing in return. In other words, unconditional love. When you begin to love on this level, you begin to love man not because they are likable, not because they do things that attract us, but because God loves them. This is it.

BELIEVER 5: this is the love that we really see at Calvary, this is the love of the Father loving us human beings unto the end, nonviolently, submitting to be crucified on the cross. This is the love of God being exterminated. This is the ultimate sickness of the human being. This is not just Original Sin; this is the origin of evil in man. This is unbelievable, this is so awesome. This is the kind of sacrifice that we are seeing. Isn't it wonderful that there is only one thing going on? He is loving us to death. What a wonderful revolution of kindness. This is the true revolutionary war, hallelujah! And this is God's revolution literarily overcoming everything in His Son. This is the greatest battle that was ever fought. Hallelujah! When He is back living in us as the victor, and we are allowing Him to live through us. When this is the Christ in us music, this is the song of victory. This is what we want to hear.

BELIEVER 3: do you know what is so good? Today my coworkers, my fellow servers, they were picking on me a little bit and saying, "BELIEVER 3, and you ever heard this song?" And they were talking about the lyrics of this one song that says, "I am a sinner" blah blah blah, in a way that  is kind of mocking the Lord. So I said, "hey guys, have you ever heard the song of the Lamb? The song that they sing around the throne of God night and day?" And they were like, "No, we have never heard that."

BELIEVER 4: that is a good job. That goes directly to the warfare of love. 

(BELIEVER 7 desires to leave)

BELIEVER 5: let me get to the point that I haven't even shared yet about the sacrifice. I'll just say one thing before BELIEVER 7 leaves.

BELIEVER 5: the sacrifice, this is the animal that was prepared to enact a covenant. Not to pay for problem, not for a remedy, not for a breach in the contract, this was a covenant sacrifice of death to enact a communion. We are familiar with this in the realm of inheritance, that unless the person who owns everything that they own dies then they have it, it's in their hands, they have it. Unless they die it is not able to be released to the beneficiary. This death was what was needed in order to give a gift. And I will just finish with this, and I want the last thing that was said to be very clear. The picture is this: the Giver of the gift knows that unless He Himself dies He cannot give the gift to the beneficiary. Unless the Giver of the gift Himself dies He cannot give the gift of Himself to His beneficiary, to the other person. So He delivers himself into our hands unbeknownst to us so that we will kill Him so that He can give us everything. In the picture this is Jesus as the female, Jesus becoming the red heifer, Jesus going outside the camp and allowing us to kill Him, to kill her so that we can be delivered from death by giving us eternal life. That is the picture, that is the sacrifice: the female outside the camp, not killed by the priest but killed by the person that brings it. Amen. This is the nonviolent loving death that procures the complete gift and provision for us. And this is what God did in His nonviolent revolutionary war against sin and death, He accomplished it. He went outside the camp, and He died as a female. He died with the dung in her, He died with the blood in her. It was totally contrary to any of the other rules; this is the extent of the love of God for us. This is awesome.  This is the Messiah that human beings are looking for that they think is coming in the future.  Oh no, He has been crucified since before the foundation of the world. This is fresh, this is ready for anybody all the time any time, Hallelujah. This is not just something done in the present time, this was done in eternity, this is in the aorist tense, this is not in the present tense. This is a kairos event, this is not a chronos event. This transcends the time space continuum.

BELIEVER 7: I think you're a lot BELIEVER 5 for giving us this beautiful word. And this confirms what God gave to me to share tonight.

BELIEVER 5: this is vital, this will allow us to rest in the deepest rest ever.

BELIEVER 7: That in all ways God shows us that He is not only a chastiser. God is immeasurably and eternally so good, and He gave us the symbolism so that one day somebody would understand it. That God is only grace, goodness, mercy, and generosity.

BELIEVER 4: before we continue I want to clarify some things. There is one part that it didn't understand from what BELIEVER 5 shared, and I know BELIEVER 7 's where you are going with all of this. So let's allow that the Spirit to move us where He wants. We can want to move in a certain way in the Fellowship, or we might want things in a certain way, but when certain things start to get put on the table and we start to put a certain flavor on what God is doing, the Spirit is the one that needs to order everything that is being spoken. And if not, we come to the point that we do not understand what is happening. And this is something very important. So I am going to pass the ball to BELIEVER 5, so that he can continue to open what he is opening.

BELIEVER 5: this point right here is so lacking in many people's understanding. Rabbis said that Solomon in all the wisdom that he had, and Ecclesiastes chapter 7, they said that this was one thing that he didn't understand, what this effort was all about. This is very deep.

BELIEVER 4: let me do something, because I feel that the Fellowship is starting to go to a really good point, so I feel that you keep going. BELIEVER 3 said, that you already finished the flow.

BELIEVER 5: I just finished the introduction, just to give the introduction.

BELIEVER 4: this is what I feel, I felt you went to the introduction, but this needs to be amplified. BELIEVER 7 went to some parts that I "feel it"

BELIEVER 3: when you say you feel that.

BELIEVER 4: this is a touch in the spirit. This is not something natural.

BELIEVER 5: BELIEVER 4, when you talk about the sense of the spirit, we are talking about the sense of the One New Man becoming the reality of our lives, aren't we?

BELIEVER 4: I'm going to start with the last part that BELIEVER 7 flowed, and what happened this week with the flowing, or do you prefer to ask a question to you regarding what you flowed? And then if I need to interact our practical living-I'm going to flow. I give you the option to go to the left or go to the right by the Spirit.

BELIEVER 5: why don't you lead out, you all, and I will just be available for whatever that might mean for.

BELIEVER 4: let me tell you something, because BELIEVER 7 is still here, and I will just flow directly to you. In other words, it is better to do that to redeem the time.

BELIEVER 5: with what we just talked about, in terms of what the Lord did for us in eternity, that before BELIEVER 7 went to rest and I just wanted to say that, because of the nature of that this God is going to work on us, is going to bless us while we sleep . This is how good this is. That's why I wanted to share that because we don't just go to sleep, we are made in the image and likeness of God, God is moving in us while we sleep. Isn't that wonderful?  This death, because this death releases life, then just like sleep that appears to be like death, this is where it just continues to release the life in our sleep, just like this kind of death that releases life through death. Praise the Lord.

BELIEVER 4: the point that you talked, if we believe it this is going to happen.  Because the Spirit has a chance to explain to us just by believing; not by arguing, not by thinking, but just by believing.

BELIEVER 5: yes we just receive this. We believe and we receive.

BELIEVER 4: yeah because in some ways, BELIEVER 6 is seeing BELIEVER 7 in a desperate mode (for sleep).

BELIEVER 5: when Adam was put to sleep, like we go to sleep at night, when he was put to sleep, he is put to sleep for a purpose because this is when the Lord was going to open His side and take a rib out of him and literally create this woman for him. And so this is all we're talking about here, this kind of rest.

BELIEVER 4: before we continue I want to ask a question to clarify some things. The red heifer is completely consumed right?

BELIEVER 3: yes. Usually they take the dung away from the sacrifices, they clean some of the inward parts, and sometimes they'll burn certain parts, like the fat. But with the red heifer, they just kill it and burn everything.

BELIEVER 5: they burn everything, everything, everything.

BELIEVER 3: they don't skin it, they don't take out the guts.

BELIEVER 5: and it is a female, not a male. This is important because this is for the church, this is for the bride.

BELIEVER 3: is that the only female sacrifice?

BELIEVER 5: there were some exceptions. But generally most of the proper sacrifices were male sacrifices. Because Christ is a male, and He died for the disobedience of Adam, the male. But this was for the female, like Eve. He went outside the camp as a female to take care of what happened with Eve. This isn't dealing so much with sin, as with death.  This was for the water of separation that would cleanse a person who had been in contact with death.

BELIEVER 4: I want to attach some points again because of how BELIEVER 7 interpreted some things. Do you understand what BELIEVER 7 said?

BELIEVER 3: I think what you are talking about when he said that God isn’t a punisher. BELIEVER 7 says this often, and there is usually a disagreement in there. BELIEVER 4 has a check in his spirit, so that is what he is wanting to open up right now.

BELIEVER 4: the part is this

BELIEVER 5: well, BELIEVER 4, this is for your own clarification primarily, which will be a blessing to others.

BELIEVER 3: BELIEVER 4 is wanting to know, why after all your sharing on the red heifer did BELIEVER 7 say that God is not a punisher, as his main praise to the Lord?

BELIEVER 5: let me clarify this one point. As we all know there are different kinds of crimes punishable in different ways, correct? (Yes). So if someone goes ahead and robs a store, they might have to go to jail or pay a fine, correct? (Yes).  But if someone kills somebody, that is a capital offense, and in certain places that could be punishable by your death, correct? (Yes). With what happened with Christ, this became a capital offense. This is not just a sin offering, or a trespass offering, but this became a capital offense. So we're dealing with not just a sin or not just a fault, but we are dealing with "the wage of this sin is death."  We are dealing with the ultimate payment, for the result of sin which is death. That is what we're talking about. This is a chastisement (punishment) unto death; this is a discipline unto death. This is not a spanking. 

BELIEVER 4: this part is complementary of what I was planning to flow. But the Father does not punish us in the new covenant because He already prepared a sacrifice for us.  And this sacrifice is His beloved Son. By faith we take the sacrifice, by faith we are in Christ, and in Christ we are accepted in the beloved.

BELIEVER 5: we are accepted in the death in Him. In other words in the context that you're speaking. This is very important because the Father committed all judgment to the Son (John 5).

BELIEVER 4: yes, in other words, BELIEVER 7 said, "the Father doesn't judge human beings, He is really good."  BELIEVER 7 talks about how good the Father is, because of the judgment that He put on His Son for our redemption. This is what I know as a reality if anyone will open their hearts and take this by faith. In the sacrifice we already receive forgiveness of all sins, all death.

BELIEVER 5: if we only understand this about Jesus dying for sins, and don't understand it in terms of we, the human beings, killed Christ, and we don't get it. When Jesus became the female heifer outside the camp, and the bringer of the sacrifice before the priest killed it before the priest, this is what we are talking about, this is how He died. He doesn't die at the hands of the priest. It isn't like they say, "well the Father killed Him.” You know the priest killed him. No this is where the bringer of the offering slays the sacrifice. We need to get this straight. This is loaded. Until I realized that....

BELIEVER 4: ... I didn't have the real understanding of what the love of the Father is. Until we know what you are talking about, we do not understand what This sacrifice is.

BELIEVER 5: this sacrifice of the heifer, the female, in the hands of the one that brought it is a representative of all the people. This is a big mystery. And so, when we are convicted ourselves that WE crucified Christ, then the forgiveness becomes real to us. Until that point it is only a little game. It is only a little spanking. It's only, "oh, you've been a bad boy, you rode your bicycle on the wrong side of the street." No, we are talking about the ultimate crime here; we're talking about the ultimate love. This is final, this is the agape love, this is the eternal love. This is what is not heard in secular Christian churches, secular Christian music. You don't hear about this, because it is all a game and it doesn't mean anything outside of this. If we don't know this as a premise, you can't even in the Old Testament economy, you can't even go to the Temple unless you have had this water of separation. It is a death penalty. If you go to the Temple in you attempt to get together with everybody and you've touched death you haven’t been cleansed then it is a death penalty, that is it, you're done. You aren't getting a spanking, you're getting killed. This is what we are talking about.  I'll be quiet now.

BELIEVER 4: right now I feel it's done. The part we need to talk about with BELIEVER 7 is the part that we don't understand, or don't see the part that is real, of how Christ is our capital punishment. And we by faith take this, it is not something light.  In the moment we really know as a reality the Father shows to us this, it is like He Himself reveals He love, this agape love to us.  It is not just, the Father loves every human being for this or that. It is just speculation until we really know what He has done for us with His Son.

BELIEVER 5: yes until we are of convicted of the blood of Christ, until we are convicted of this crime in the ultimate sense, we are still playing games.  And we will never receive this gift that comes through this kind of death, we will never receive our inheritance, we will always be attempting to work for it. We are not talking about original sin here, we are talking about the origin of evil in the human beings. The secular Christian church does not communicate about this origin of evil in man, where we became the children of the devil, the children of darkness.  I have to be careful here because we are on the telephone, and this is serious stuff here. Is BELIEVER 2 still here.  (Yes he is). Okay, I will just say this because with the younger generation, if they do not know this underneath everything else they know about Christianity they haven't got a clue, they haven't got a clue. This goes for all of us, but I'm just saying, the new people that are coming up and that are growing up, and they generally have not heard about this Christ, they have not heard about this event. They are ignorant of it.  Maybe certain people have gotten some understanding, but this is generally not communicated right across the board. Solomon, the Rabbis said that Solomon didn't understand this with all the wisdom that he had. You know what Jesus says about this, when He washed the disciples' feet, this was Jesus enacting, personifying, as the red heifer washing the disciples feet. They didn't get it. When He approached Peter about washing his feet, Peter goes, "you're not going to wash my feet." And this is the way the church is. It doesn't understand what's going on. And Jesus is saying, "I'm going to wash your feet," and we say, "no You're not." And Jesus goes, "O By the Way, if you don't let Me wash your feet you have no part with Me." And Peter said, "well you better wash me all over." I mean he is so stupid. We are so stupid. Jesus goes, "No, no, you're basically okay. I just need to wash your feet." This is the part in Ephesians 5, where it talks about how that the church is washed as the bride with the washing of the water of the word, the Rhema. This is what we are talking about; this is the preparation for us so that the Lord would even be able to be with us. Unless we are washed by the washing of the water of the word how could we even be with Him. How could we marry Him? How could we be in communion with Him? We can't. I'll back off again here. This playing church business is a joke. It is a bad joke, it is a nightmare. Where is the real love, where is the real intercourse, where is the real relationship with a man and a woman, where is this before Genesis chapter 3, where is this real relationship? Where is the true church? I will back off again. 

BELIEVER 2: Jesus said to His disciples, "how hard will it be for those who have...."

BELIEVER 5: are you reading from some place...

BELIEVER 2: yeah...

(After some microphone issues)

BELIEVER 5: when you are close to the microphone I can hear you. It has got nothing to do with spirituality. If we are close to the technology the technology will work. Praise the Lord.

BELIEVER 2: okay I'm going to start now. Jesus said to His disciples, "How hard will it......"

BELIEVER 5: are you reading from a certain place here where I can follow along?

BELIEVER 2: Mark 10.  Jesus said to His disciples, "How hard will it be for those who have wealth to enter into the kingdom of God." The disciples then said to one another, "who can be saved?" Then Jesus said, "For mortals it is impossible, but for God all things are possible." No believer should judge the faithfulness of the Lord. You should pray to the Lord that He give you increasing amounts of faith in Him, not in humans. Because if you trust in humans when you depend upon yourself, you will see what a failure you are. You will be a witness to how you cannot keep everything that you say. You will be a witness as well that only Christ can do what He says. You'll also see how the Lord moves in your heart, and how the Lord does not move in the hearts of those in the Lord does not work in. We aspire to salvation, to eternal life, but the only one who can give it to us is the Lord. For mortals, this salvation is impossible, for God everything is possible. He offers salvation to us day by day.  He provides for every need. The Lord's Divine power has given us everything that we need for life.  You not need to base all of our things on the knowledge of Him and allow Him to be the one that shows us everything. Allow His divine nature to work in you. I am to help you escape the corruption of the world caused by evil desires and all things natural. Your word tells us that everything is possible. May the Lord help us to draw me into His strength. May the Lord teach us in developing perseverance and doing His will. And may the Lord allow that His glory be manifested in us, and all glory be given to Him.

BELIEVER 5: so what does that mean? That is a wonderful theological expression. What does it mean, "all the glory?"

BELIEVER 2: what do you mean?

BELIEVER 5: does that mean that we do nothing independently of our Father, and that the Father is doing everything in us? That the Father is glorified in the Son, that the Father is glorified in us? Or does it mean we are doing anything independently of our Father, and the Father is being shamed?

BELIEVER 2: that's foolish. You should know that.

BELIEVER 5: say that again, soulish? I'm not hearing you.

BELIEVER 2: foolish

BELIEVER 5: foolish. Okay what's foolish?

BELIEVER 2: the second answer. Because you are obviously talking about how the Lord is being glorified and not yourself. Why would you even put that in there?

BELIEVER 5: the Lord. Now we're talking about the Lord of the lords, Jesus? Or are we talking about the Lord Jesus without understanding the Father? What are we talking about here?

BELIEVER 2: everything is connected to one BELIEVER 5.

BELIEVER 5: everything is connected to one what BELIEVER 2?

BELIEVER 2: one Lord, one God. If you think that there's more than one, then something is wrong.

BELIEVER 5: Jewish theology talks about one. It doesn't talk about the Father though. So let's clarify what we are talking about.

BELIEVER 2: you are using your brain...

BELIEVER 5: we are using the New Testament; it is called one God and Father.

BELIEVER 4: I really appreciate you explaining everything simple level. I appreciate you explaining everything to BELIEVER 2. Just some shaping is needed.

BELIEVER 5: unless we have been to the boot camp, like in the military, we are not ready. That's all, it's really simple. We are talking about being brought back into a relationship with the Father. I love to hear a brother who begins to talk as a son. The other brothers talk as little boys, without the Father; they are just playing. I enjoy the rite of passage when the boy becomes a man. I'm not interested in compromising with males, and being boys; we want to enjoy the fellowship as sons of God with the Father. Praise the Lord. And when I was in boot camp it wasn't a real happy time. "O my... What are they doing to me?"

(Someone left the fellowship a little frustrated for not having the opportunity to share)

BELIEVER 3: little kids get a little angry if you do not let them share.

BELIEVER 5: it is quite an environment in the nursery. I think nurseries are wonderful places. Every house that is raising children should have a nursery. There is a place for the nursery in the house. But there is also a bedroom for the adults. There is a difference.

BELIEVER 3: I am not claiming to be an adult, but I am interested in becoming one.

BELIEVER 5: don't worry about it; you are going to have to become one. The Father is going to finish His work that He has begun. He is more interested in this process than we are.

BELIEVER 3: that is good news; it is good to hear that. This red heifer thing is very interesting. I have heard repentance expressed in these types of terms and ideas.  I have heard brother say the true repentance is when you see that it is in your own heart, that you personally are responsible for the death of the Lord Jesus. And only when you see that can you have a real deep repentance. So I've heard this before, and I'm kind of like, "that is pretty heavy..." But relating it all to the red heifer is pretty amazing.

BELIEVER 5: let me go ahead and say that when this ordinance was passed, you know what was going to be happening? The children of Israel had gone into the Promised Land, and the leaders had come back with an evil report. When the leaders came back with the evil report saying that they were grasshoppers in the sights of these giants, they were not coming back with a report of how they saw themselves in God's sight. And so there is a death penalty. And now the children of Israel, why are they going to be around there for 40 years? Because it is going to take them that long for everyone to die, and they are going to bury them out there. And so what was needed, because when people are around death, and it is so hideous in the consciousness of it, and it is so grieving, that they had to have the preparation of this heifer offering; the water of separation that cleanse people who had been in contact with death. So in the journey that we are all on Christians, we are in the world, we are around people that are like living death. And we need this cleansing because anyone who has been around this death could not have fellowship in eternal life. And so can you imagine with over 2 million people dying out there over a period of 40 years, there is a lot of separation going on here every day, every day, every day. Because there is death in the camp, every day, every day, every day. That is the reality of it. And this is what we experience on this earth. There is death going on every day, every day, every day. We need to have our feet washed by the Eternal Spirit so that we can have fellowship while we are going on. If we are not experiencing this, then we are like in our sin while we are trying to fellowship. And it's like, we're double minded, we are sick, we are not having true fellowship; do you know what I mean? It is a joke. And so not to belabor that too much, but to say this is what the real Church of Jesus Christ needs. And when Jesus, He said to them in John 13, He said, "do you know what, if you guys want to be happy, you'll do this. You wash one another's feet." I don't find so much of a foot washing going on, you know with this water of separation of the heifer.  I only hear people talking about the meal offerings that are done by the priests. And that doesn't help the people out. That gives the mental knowledge. Kind of like what BELIEVER 2 had said earlier, about the mental thing, and it's like, it's only mental stuff. But to bring up the subject of this heifer, you know, this needs to be communicated. And part of it is objective that we can even say with our mouths, think with our minds, but it needs to get into us, to become the reality. Under the circumstances, I would normally never talk about this kind of stuff over the telephone because it is so subject to misunderstanding and we are in each other's presences. So I already know that we are in trouble communicating like this. But it's almost like, here were forced by geographical situations to be separate from one another, and to bring these things out over the telephone, so I am expecting on the end down there for the understanding of this heifer to become a practical reality. Otherwise, there is just death in the camp.

BELIEVER 3: well I would say at least the mental or objective knowledge is gotten clearer tonight. And we will work with that, and expose ourselves to it in prayer and maybe looking on it in the word.

BELIEVER 5: let me go ahead and say something in conjunction that, these ashes, like when you said we need to expose ourselves to it... Here's how it works. If the person has made contact with dead body, and what happens is a clean person who hasn't had that contamination goes and gets some of these ashes and mixes them with water, goes to the person who has been contaminated on the third day. And this is so bad that they clean person that goes to the defiled person and sprinkles them with this water of separation with the hyssop, that the clean person becomes unclean until evening. They are defiled until the evening just by being around this person. That is how bad this is. This is like Galatians 6:1, "if someone has been overtaken in a fault, you who are spiritual go to this one to restore them... This is the law of Christ." This is what we are talking about. So what happens is, with what you said about opening ourselves up to this or exposing ourselves to this, then it's like, when the clean one which represents the Spirit comes to us on the third day, so to speak in the Old Testament symbolism, and on the seventh day, and then the person is clean and they are ready for fellowship. Now, because we have the Eternal Spirit of Christ, then the Eternal Spirit is washing us constantly with this water of separation....(like) the washing of the water of the word.  I just say that at this juncture, we talked about being available. 

BELIEVER 4: this and how the Lord is operated but the Spirit, if we are not really attuned to the Spirit, any person has a chance to misunderstand some things. But the good thing is, by this kind of love and by this kind of life everything that the Father does and has prepared for us is wonderful. And the only ones left here in fellowship tonight (that haven't gone to bed) are BELIEVER 3, BELIEVER 5, and I.

BELIEVER 5: yes things definitely got opened up with the other brothers and sisters, that because of where people are at it is definitely challenging. So there is some problems because of this kind sharing tonight, that are just beginning; and I am quite familiar with how this works. Especially with the younger people. With BELIEVER 7, with this thing about the discipline, we are getting right into how this thing really works, and stuff definitely comes to the surface.

BELIEVER 4: yes the other three brothers had a circumstance of problems tonight. The things have already been put on the table, the only thing that we need to do is prayer, and the Lord needs to open up whatever needs to be done. That's all.

BELIEVER 5: so I'll just say, I take the liberty at your initiation to share certain things. So because of the seriousness of the kind of things that shared, you're definitely going to have some follow-up work. Some damage control. This is such an enemy, this is so adverse to the natural man. Because the natural man is the one that killed sacrifice. So, this is where the murder comes out, this is where the deceit comes out that no one thinks they have. So I'll just say, be forewarned. So we're a little bit of this tonight through one person. So it's like unless these things are brought out, people do not have the chance to find out where they are not at. So it is definitely an exposure situation that goes on. It is certainly not "nice" so to speak, but people never grow up. They just think that because they say things.....(and) I'll end up becoming an enemy because I bring this stuff to the table. And I expect that, and I am just already letting you know that this is what goes on at this level.

BELIEVER 4: yes, it warfare is normal for whatever ground the Lord gains in us. We just need to open ourselves for whatever the Lord wants to do, and it is not an easy way to open.

BELIEVER 5: yes here's the point, what I'm saying this that this understanding of the red heifer offering needs to be studied, it needs to be understood inside and out. And I know that you brothers know how to study and get tuned in with what has been opened up here about this. There is a lot of details and this. The ramifications of this, it is not something you can just get in a second. I ended up learning this through real troubles that went on in a whole congregation. Because people were not being equipped with this understanding of the heifer with the water of separation. So I didn't learn this just casually. It was grueling, you know, the process. And even as I came to understand this myself, I would go ahead and open this up with people. But because they're so interested in playing church and everything, this didn't fit with the routine. Because they are just doing the system. They are just communicating "good information," and the reality that was behind what was going on wasn't an issue for them. And so, well this is quite the turf. So it would be interesting with you ever has the capacity to understand, this understanding of the heifer, to find out. And the other people who aren't interested and who don't want to, then that will be clear to. So, yep.

BELIEVER 3: I think with the red heifer, sometimes I think that it is a good approach to, understand things by types, so that the Lord's Spirit can reveal the reality to us. Instead of just telling us, "you murdered the Lord Jesus." I can't go sit around and meditate about that, that will drive me crazy. But if I go study the red heifer, the Lord to reveals that to me, then just kind of as I am looking at things I think it might get there easier.

BELIEVER 5: yes, and I will say, yes that is the reason that those things were given. And when we see this stuff acted out, like when we see Christ crucified, and then the people say, or Pilate goes, "well what shall we do? Who shall we release?" And the people say, "give us Barabbas, crucify Jesus." That is where we see this. And then they go ahead and pronounced a real wonderful thing, they say, "and let His blood be upon our heads, and upon our children, and upon our children's children." So, we are going to have the chance to work this stuff through. Because this happened, and it was recorded in the New Testament we can discern where it was, and how it goes. And I am willing to us objectively communicate the portions where we find this, so that these portions can be meditated on and the reality of it become an experience. Then just save some time with that too. Like we can go ahead and shuffle through this stuff. It took me months and months if not years to go through and do an extensive study on this. Because this is so overlooked, and people are trying to play church without knowing Christ as the heifer, and needless to say it is and utter failure. Because the priests, they had to have this water applied to them even before they could be consecrated. I don't know whether you knew that were not. So I said all that to say this, that objectively we can go ahead and go into the different portions of the Scripture that relate to this, and see the seriousness of this and....

BELIEVER 3: and that relates to the hyssop too, right?

BELIEVER 5: yes, the hyssop is what was used to apply this. And the hyssop relates to the most tender plant, on the other end of it the Cedar was like the strongest plant. So even the symbolism of the hyssop. And this is where, as an illustration of this meditation, would be Psalm 51. And around verse seven, where David has literally murdered someone. This isn’t just killing a sinner.  And he needs to be cleansed; he needs to be purged with hyssop. This is what he is talking about. At the end of it, verse 17 or so, it talks, "you know what, if You wanted bullocks or something, I'd offer them, but Thou wouldest not. Now what we need is a broken and contrite spirit. We need to have truths in our inward parts." This is what he is talking about. This fall has touched death, and he was experiencing that fatality of death being with him. And he had lost the joy of the Lord. I realize that it is getting late and everything, but at the same time, this is not light stuff, this is serious stuff. And I will give you one other thing, like objectively to chew on, around Numbers 32 when it talks about how they had been out in battle. They're coming back with spoil, and their leaders go out and meet them outside the camp, and they talk about that before they, they have to stay out there seven days to go through the purification process before they are even allowed back into the camp. And this is where we see the water of separation coming in again. These guys have been out there involved in killing people. They had touched death. And so they needed to be cleansed, and they use the water of separation to do that. And this is something that the younger people don't even have a clue about, in terms of really loving one another, and really being involved in warfare were people get killed. So this is involving some of the more serious elements. So there's just a couple of different references that will give you something to begin with.

BELIEVER 3: is the water of separation from the heifer, like when the Bible talks about water of separation.

BELIEVER 5: yes that is directly related to the ashes of the heifer...(That were sprinkled) on the unclean, and that allowed them to participate in the congregation until they had been cleansed. These ashes of the heifer, they need to be understood as far as how they are used with people who have made contact with death, because in order to be able to get together with one another have fellowship, it also applies to 1 John 1:7-9, in that area, where it talks about walking in the light as He is in the light, having fellowship with one another in the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin and unrighteousness. This is the picture, and I think you'll find some illustrations of this in, Brother (Witness) Lee knew a measure this, the notes in the Recovery Version will get into this understanding of the heifer in that portion. So I am just going ahead and communicating what needs to be communicated about this offering, and I didn't go back and say exactly what I said earlier, but as we continue the reality of this will continue working its way out, so that we can become functional with this understanding of Christ. So this is really so big because most of the time people are just communicating, the priest are communicating about Christ as the male, they're the ones doing the whole thing, the people are just passive, and it's terrible. The church is so weak, so beggarly. So that is a little bit more on out of 1 John 1:7. And as we interact, as we get together, we understand this better, then we will be able to enjoy the benefits of being delivered from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that the result of it was death. And then we will be brought into such a relationship with our Father that we will be delivered from the origin of evil in man, that happened through them partaking of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Because it just wasn't this knowledge business, it was the spirit behind that knowledge that the people got which took them away from the presence of God, and this is why they died, the presence of evil, not Original Sin, evil, from the Evil One that got him to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We need to be delivered from evil, and our Father is the only one that can deliver us from the evil. And this is where, where people don't have this understanding of heifer what they do is, because they don't see themselves properly, from being cleansed from being one with the devil and being murderous and deceivers, they can't even receive the love of the Father, because they are unrighteous, because the image and likeness has been marred, so it is only through Christ coming into us, providing us with the righteousness, providing us with the self-consciousness of His image, that allows us the ability to receive the agape love. This is incredible, this is awesome. Because unless there is a place to be able to receive the love of the Father, we wouldn't even take it. We would go, oh I'm unworthy, oh I don't deserve that, I am unclean, unclean, unclean. So when we are cleansed by the water of separation and the ashes of the heifer, we are literally cleansed from that. We are literally delivered from our thoughts of being unworthy, from our thoughts of being sinners, from thoughts of being evil. We are literally delivered. And the blood of Jesus Christ that was shed, now it's sprinkled on our consciences, and now we don't have an evil conscience anymore. Now we have His conscience. And this is what Paul was talking to Timothy about when he said that, "the end of the law is charity... Out of a good heart, a good conscience... Faith unfeigned." These are the basics for our "normal Christian life." So people go through these, you talk about the Scripture with one another, and they vibrate with all the stuff. But unless this is in our consciences ,Suneidesis in the Greek, which means shared knowledge, having the same spiritual knowledge, the knowledge of knowing as we are known, right, of being chosen, of being available to His choice, but comprehending with the saints this love of God, the height, the depth, the width, and the breadth, this is what we are talking about. This is all the middle voice; this is all the communion of the spirit. Man I can't get over with, here it is 3:30 AM or whatever, and it is like This Eternal Life is ours to be enjoyed. Unbelievable! We need to fellowship in this kind of life. If we are not having this, if the blood of Jesus Christ and understanding of the real blood of Jesus Christ, that this is the blood of this human being, that the actual blood flow was mixed with the Father, that They had the same life, it was the life of the Father and the Son. And when this blood is sprinkled on our consciences, our consciences begin to experience the fellowship with the Father and the Son.  This is the shared knowledge, the suneidesis. This is not just some knowledge; this is knowing as you are known.  This is looking into each other's eyes, and being changed into the same image from glory to glory. Where we go into different portions where it says, " And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth..." That "acknowledging" of the truth right there, that right there is what we are talking about; the acknowledgment of the truth. And it yes talking about, and people didn't receive the love of the truth, they weren't saved. It wasn't like, "oh I heard the truth." No, we need to have the love of the truth. We need to be actively, loving involved with the truth of the person. We are getting back to the original relationship that man was supposed to have with God through the tree of life, that the enemy came in and interfered with and conceived himself in them, evil. So anyways, I'll start backing off here a little bit. This is our heritage, this is the basics. This is where eternal life flows like a river and everything that touches will live. Here is the river of the water of life, here is the symbolic water of separation flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb, then everything that it touches will live. Isn't this awesome! It says there is the tree of life growing up in the middle of this river, and you know what, it has 12 manner of fruit for the healing of the nations! We are talking about the real stuff you, you know what I mean. God is interested in every single human being: past, present, and future. Brothers, this is the flow. And this water is the water of separation; this will separate us from death. And in the middle of being separated from death, we will be able to enjoy eating from the tree of life. "He who has an ear to hear let him hear, he who overcomes, I will grant him to eat from the tree of life which is in the midst of the Paradise of God." How about that brothers? Are we having a meal or what. I'm over here, and I keep reflecting on the clock, and on our humanness, retiring stuff like this, and at the same time we are so hooked up with this life that it isn't even funny.

BELIEVER 3: you know I was so tired, like the the beginning of the meeting. I was kind of lying around on the couch, and I kind of said to myself, "I don't care how the fellowship is going; I'm going to leave at 2 AM. I'm going to go to bed." Them didn't and I'm glad I didn't.

BELIEVER 5: I'll tell you what; we are right in the main line right now. This flow is unbelievable. This is the life that has the power to take these dry bones and connect them all up. This is huge. We're not talking about raising the dead of an individual. We are talking about raising the dead humanity of a whole corporate nation, a people. We are talking about the resurrection of the corporate dead. All of the human race, this kind of the resurrection. Isn't this something glorious. How the heck is this going to happen, unless the ashes of the heifer, unless this river that flows from the throne goes out and literarily reaches everybody out in the desert.

BELIEVER 3: we need to know this river and be in it.

BELIEVER 5: yeah this river, it's water. But what kind of water is? It's the kind of water that separates from death. It's pretty good stuff huh! This hits anybody, and it literally separates them from death. Just a little powerful, wouldn't you say. And you know what; I find that unfortunately much of the secularized Christian church doesn't have even a clue about this stuff.

BELIEVER 3: no, I have never heard this before. The water of separation that separates us from death.

BELIEVER 5: and it is death that disqualifies us from eternal life. And that is why Jesus came, to become that provision to separate us from the separation. We're dealing with the second death here, by the way. I got into some of the stuff the Jewish rabbis ‘materials on this.

BELIEVER 3: you know, they're looking for a future Messiah. And they're looking for a future red heifer also. Have you heard of that?

BELIEVER 5: I've got all the paperwork on it; I've been following this for years with my friend over in Israel. This thing is being played out geographically right now.  Because unless they have a heifer, they can't even, even though they have all the Temple stuff and put the whole thing together, unless they have this heifer to have the ashes they can't consecrate the priest to allow this whole Temple thing to function. So it's like they are out of business. Now the Lord God has already provided the heifer 2000 years ago. Now if they reject Him, and they can't find another one, they are in trouble aren't they? So here's the funny thing, you know what the rabbis have done, because they realize that they need to have a Temple functioning and stuff, because they can't find one, I have a friend of mine who knows these completed Jews who know Jesus as the heifer that are kind of accepted in the Jewish community, the people that are in the know, these guys, these rabbis are trying to find a loophole so that they can function without a heifer. And so the other guys, they know these four guys because they knew that Christ is their heifer, they said that they would be willing to play along with the Jewish routine because they know that they won't die. Because they have the real ashes of the heifer on them.  And so there is a real funny thing that is going on in the inner circle of these Jewish characters, because they're trying to rearrange the rules.  Because they realize that they don't have any home base, they don't have any headquarters yet, because the dome on the rock is still not functioning, they are like homeless even though they're in the Promised Land. I used to communicate this regularly, and I used to talk with people about the heifer through the Jewish situation, just to get people's attention. But so many people, they don't have an ear to hear, they are so busy self-centered in their own lives.  They really didn't care. The richer ones, they were just looking for a 501c3 so that they could donate their money and try to sit on the board so that they could control the finances that went through the church, to be on the Board of Directors. It was sick.

BELIEVER 3: you've seen some trash, you've seen some death.

BELIEVER 5: when seemingly brothers and sisters are like literarily betraying one another, and just fighting for power and everything, it is quite disheartening. It's quite disheartening. It will tear you right up. And you know when we talk about this love of the Father, I didn't learn this by accident, I learned it because there was no other way to even be around people without wanting to take them out. Like, eliminate them. Eliminate them. I won't even go into it now, but I mean....

BELIEVER 3: you exhausted your own resources?

BELIEVER 5: absolutely, absolutely. And when you are toe to toe with people and the other person deserves to die, and then it is like, what's to stop from that happening? There needs to be an intervention, there needs to be the love of the Father to love your enemies, when according to the law you would have the right to eliminate them. I had one guy that called me up one night that was loading the shotgun, and was getting ready to go and take the guy out. And I said, "Listen, I know that you are so good at what you do, before you pulled the trigger, at least give him a chance to accept Christ." Well that stopped him. I felt that just being able to share that truth with him in life, in the midst of pain, that the Lord intervened. So anyways, these aren’t just nice little sayings. These things are in me; these things are a part of me. This is not just a message, it is built in. Praise the Lord. This Lord is alive, He is back from the dead, He loves His enemies to the end. He says Father forgive them they don't even know what they're doing. This is the real life. He is a lamb, and He is in us to be a lamb some more. And the world needs this lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world. So, it is the summertime and our schedule is changing and it is like, this is what is at hand not just the summertime, the kingdom of God. So what we want to do? Have a job, have an education, and have a wife and all this stuff? Or do we want to have Him and His love and see what He will have after that. I think Jesus said, "Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness." And His righteousness, as a gift, and then His goes, "and you know what, We'll add everything else, whatever you need. But if you try to do it backwards,  all your life you will be screwed up." Trying to make things work. Terrible. Oh Lord cleanse us. So what do you think shall we leave it there? This does go on and on, when we are in a river, this river keeps flowing forever and ever. I mean I am a little bit fired up, I don't think I'll be able to sleep anyways. Is BELIEVER 4 still there? Because it is getting closer to 4:00 AM. Why don't we plan to be in touch together if we're still alive? It will be great having more fellowship along these lines and just seeing out resurrectingly Christ would like to live through us. Amen.