Fellowship March 4th, 2013 (John 17)

Believer 1: we're going to return to the part that we talked about. Not the whole thing that we talked about this afternoon, but we're going to talk about the relationship of the bride of Christ with Christ himself.

Believer 2: and maybe I'll throw this out there to, because the reason that we started to record this is because we are talking about the Father. I just put that out there in the beginning so that when I am referencing this I am tuned in.

Believer 1: when I say the Lord knows that's the way I start. You said, "how about the Father? "Many people don't mention the talk about him. Like you said earlier if we just say "Jesus" or "the Lord" things are clarified. we need to come back the relationship between the Lord Jesus and Father in order to understand what the church is. And the relationship between Christ and the church who is the bride and how these two are joined to become one so that there is not to wills. This was shocking to me first one week ago. Because in the moment that we started the fellowship with you around seven months ago you mentioned the Father many times. And what happened the last week is like the opening of the eyes more concerning who the Father is. And then when you see who the Father is, you understand who the son is.if you do not understand who the Father is you do not understand who the son is. one of the parts cannot be missing. If one of the parts are missing then you do not have the whole truth. In the devil has a chance to get in on this point. I don't like to talk about this because there are many misunderstandings that can get in here. But because of the burden that the Lord put in your heart I have been quiet for a long time when you're interrupted me in the fellowship. You say, "you tell me about the Father?" I say "yes." You say, "you tell me about the son?" I said "yes." But how does this happen? For the human eye these things are impossible to understand.

Believer 2: could we say that they are one, but different persons? So the persons are different, but they are one.

Believer 1: but to be one and to be different persons is something that the human brain cannot understand, even the best human brain. And I recommend that the people did not try to understand. If you want to really live a healthy life, don't try. These things come by revelation. And the Lord is going to put me in pieces concerning what I'm sharing. We are going to go to the preliminaries. John said in the beginning, "the word... And the word was God... And the word was with God." If we go to the Old Testament, "let us make man." If you come back and see the life of Jesus even as a 12-year-old, "I am in my Father's business." It didn't say I am my business. It didn't say I am in Joseph's business. He said, "I am in my Father's business." Even Mary. When we come back into the whole life of the Lord Jesus, the and his human living as the Word become flesh never separated, as shown in John 17, from the Father.

The first subtitle in this Bible says, "the Son is glorified so that the Father glorified." I'm not can put it in this way, "that the son may be glorified, that the Father may be glorified." I will say, "that the son may be glorified, that the Father is already glorified." We're going to go to in Scripture and read the details of the relationship between the Father and the son, which is so glorious that if we don't see this to have an open veil to see the theFather is, to have an open veil see the the son is, we are still blind. "These things Jesus spoke lifting up his eyes to heaven." Why did he lift up his eyes to heaven? Because the baby ones, the ones in the nursery, need need to be shown some things to understand who the Father is. Then he says, "Father, the hour has come." The Lord Jesus knew before the foundation of the world what is going to happen to him. "Glorify your son." In other words, I am in you, and you are in me, it is time to show that it is you who send me, that you love me and that you are one with me. "Glorify your son," this is one part of the couple which is the Father and the son, "that the son may glorify you," the son can do nothing without the Father. Because the unit cannot broken. The son in the beginning was the word, they are not separated. He starts with the Father, then he says "glorify your son, that this son may glorify you." Who is this you? It is the Father. And then he says, "even as you have given to him," in other words, even as the Father has given Jesus authority over all the flesh. "To give eternal life to all that you." Who is this you? The Father is who gives. The Father is who gives. "You have given him," so the Father gives to the son everything, even us. "And this is eternal life, that they may know the Father." It doesn't say this here, but that's the way that I'm going to say it. It says, "that they might know you." Who is this "you"? It is the Father. "The Father and to whom you have sent, Jesus Christ." "The only true God." Who is the only true God? The Father, this is the only true God. "And him." Who is this him"? "Jesus, whom you have sent."

And verse four, "I have glorified you on the Earth." "I," Jesus have glorified the Father, on the earth. "Finish the work, Which you have you given to me.". Who is this you?  "The Father, has given to me, to do." So the Father gives the commandment to the son and the son obeys.  Where are the two wills? This is what he is. "And now," he doesn't say tomorrow, he doesn't say it future tense, he doesn't say it in the past tense. He says, "now glorify me along yourself."  There is no glorification without himself. It is himself? The Father. And maybe someone will misunderstand, so he says, "Father with the glory which I had with you," The Son says, "I had the glory with you Father, you are before the world was." The and the recovery version is a subtitle after this it says, "that the believers may be built up into one." What is into one? Into to the Father, in the son by the spirit. And then has a small subtitle, "in the Father's name by the eternal life." In what name?In the name of Jesus? Why did the brothers put in the Father's name?

 In verse six, "I have manifested," the version says, "your name." I am going to say, "I have manifested Father to the men you have given me out of the world." In other words the Father does the complete job also. "They were yours." Who is yours? The Father gives, the son brings back to the Father. What kind of unity is this? Have you ever seen this kind of unity? Does someone have a chance to live his kind of unity? I just know one that has this kind of unity. Jesus does this unity. But who is the author that perfects this? Jesus. But it shows Jesus to be the author of the perfecter? The Father. “I have manifested your name to the men?" What name? The Father, Elohim, Adonai, Kadosh.  Who is this you? Father. "You Father, gave me out of the world, they were yours Father, and Father gave them to me." But who gives to Jesus the inheritance? That they have kept your word. What word? The word of Jesus, the Word became flesh. In the book of Revelation that says, "I see the word."  But here, the word.  What word.  The word of the Father. "Now,"it doesn't say tomorrow, "they have come to know all that is been given to be is from you." So I will say, "they have come to know that all that you have given me Father is from you Father." "For the words which your Fatherhave given to me, I have given to them." Where the two wills? Where is this that the believers are different, the Father is different, the son is different? NO! All our the same. So what would say, "this is completely outside of the ground of the mind." I would say yes to that. "Things which it has not seen, ear has not heard, the theFather has prepared for those who love Him," period. But the Lord has not allowed this period to close, he allows it to keep going through. And he says (and I repeat because this is really good), "the words which you Father had given to me Jesus, I have given to them, my couple." It cannot be one if you want to be a disciple, you need to be a couple. When it says that they have become one flesh, what kind of flesh? Do you feel that it is the old flesh, the old creation? NO! The word became flesh and completed the whole process until he was presented to the Father. "Don't touch me," until he be presented to the Father. If you don't go through the process of the cross, follow the same way that Jesus went, and present your bodies a living sacrifice, you are not going to have any clue brothers.

 "The words that you give it to me Father, I have given to them." It is not just one, it is a multitude, it is many.  It is millions.  Is it all those who live in the flesh? There is no way, he is a holy God. Then it says, "and they received them," in other words, brotherly love. "And they knew truly." Who is it that knows? Those that have the same nature. "Knew," it is not mental knowledge, it is not because you read. It is because you know. Some brothers of the past say, "I know that I know that I know." This kind of knowing is not a knowing of the head, it is it knowing of the new heart. It is to feel with the Father feels. "And have known that I came from the Father, and they have believe that you Father has sent me." The other words if you forget about the Father you are in trouble. "I asked concerning them." concerning  who? The church, the divine nature. "I did not ask concerning the world." But we want the world. "But those who you Father had given to me." To who did he give? To Jesus. "For they are yours," in other words of the Father has given to the son, is going to be returned to the Father. "And all that is mine," Jesus goes to the point of emptying himself again, "and all that is mine is yours." In other words the son said to the Father, "all that you give me, take it back." "And yours is mine." "And I have a glorified in them." But not only is the son glorified in the Father, but the son glorified in the sons, the heirs who have the same nature, those of the Father's chosen."

And then it says, "I am no longer the world, yet they are the world.". Who Is of the world? Them. "And I am coming to you." To what you?To the Father. Then it says, "holy Father... Keep them." And keeps them? Jesus? The Father! "It your name..." And what name? The name of the Father. All that Jesus received, all the authority, even the name of Jesus is brought to him. What kind of unity is that! "That they may be one as we are... When I was with them, I kept them in your name." In other words Jesus had the authority to keep the disciples in the name of the Father. Who is preaching this? It is amplified when you said. Then it says, "which you Father had given to me." Who is me? Jesus. "And I have kept them, and not one of them has perished... Except the son of perdition so the the Scripture by be fulfilled... But now I'm coming to you Father. In these things I speak of the world that they may have by Joy.  What joy? The joy of the Lord Jesus, "made full in themselves." This is really good.

 That he says this, "I have given that your word." He doesn't say "my word," he says the Father's Word." "And the world has hated them," or the world cannot tolerate them. In other words, if you are with the Father and with the son this world is not going to tolerate you. Why does the world not tolerate us? Because we are part of a different kingdom. Jesus said, "my kingdom is not of this world." This is huge. "Because they are not of the world," this is of explanation, "even as I have not of the world. I did not ask that you take them out of the world." Jesus said you have a mission, the world is a mission field, you need to accomplish something. "But that you would keep them." Who will keep them? The Father."Out of the hands of the evil one." And keeps them out of the hands of the evil one? The Father.  Who allows the household of faith to survive? The Father. And he emphasizes again, "they are not of the world." Why does he need to repeat that? Maybe somebody does not understand. Maybe I don't understand, or some other brother doesn't understand. Maybe we all don't understand. "Even as I am not of the world." In other words brothers and sisters, who have a heavenly calling, Co-partakers of the divine nature, forget about this world. "Sanctify them in the truth." Who is the truth? The Father. "Your word is truth." In other words, whatever the Father says, "let there be light... Let us make man." What kind of authority is this! "As you sent me into the world,"  the Lord Jesus was sent into this world. This is huge, it is a huge blessing. "I have also sent them back to the world, and for their sake I sanctify myself... That they themselves might also be sanctified."Were sanctified into the Father, not just only Jesus. In other words all of them become one. "But I do not ask concerning them only." What love! "But concerning those who will believe through their word." "Concerning those who will believe it took me through their word," the word of the Father. All authority is given here, and that Is the huge blessing. The most brothers live in verse 20, the to go any further.  But we cannot cut the first part and just use this, because it completely changes the meaning of everything. Then he says, "that they may all be one, even as you Father are in me and I in you, that they also may be made one." What kind of unity is this! "That the world may believe that you have sent me." I see the love of the Father here at different stages. I see how all become one, I see how just believing in the name gives the opportunity to become one."

 In verse 23, "that the world may believe that you have sent me," in other words, the world doesn't believe. This is what it is referring to when it says, "all creation groans the manifestation of the sons of God." For some sons, are going to mature in the last hour. "And the glory which you (the Father) have given to me (the Son), I have given to them (us)... That they may be what you as we are one." The inheritance is there. Jesus is the one who says this, here is the couple, the bride and the bridegroom, I am them in you and me. "That they may be perfected into one, that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them." So not only that Jesus is loved, but that we are love. And who Loves us? The Father. "For God so loved the world." "And you have loved them even as you have love me." Perfect unity.  "Concerning them which you have given me Father, I desire that they (us) also may be with me (Jesus) where I am." This is our problem, we need to go wherever Jesus goes. Who will follow the lamb wherever he goes? (Revelation) "that they may behold my glory," the same nature the same image, "which you Father have given me, for you loved me before the foundation of the world." We are almost closed with this wonderful expression of the Father by the son. Then he says, "righteous Father, though the world is not known you." Why do we keep our righteousness if we have the righteousness of the Father? "Yet I have known you, and these have know that you have sent me." In other words I am the firstborn, I am the beloved who is pleasing to the Father, this is my Son Jesus. "And I have made your name." What name? The name of the Father, "known to them (us), and will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them (the same love of the Father), and I in them."

Glory to God.Glory to You Father, for giving your Son to us.