Wednesday, September 4, 2013

Fellowship March 30th, 2013

Fellowship in the Household of Faith
03/30/2013

Subjects: “In that day you will ask of me nothing…”

BELIEVER 3: because of grace and mercy we have forgiveness, there is a premise for forgiveness for all of us, how the blood of Jesus Christ sets a basis for a relationship with each other.  This is what a brother said yesterday, which I am reading from text, "so man unwittingly crucified himself when the crucified Christ, which open the doorway for kingdom of God. BR was saying that because the blood of Christ so powerful now that it speaks better things than that of Abel, who speaks that there is forgiveness for all of us.  This is the basis that we are to express ourselves to one another all the time. So even as we think about one another, there is absolutely no judgment; it is forgiveness for each other for the worst offense, isn't that great! I love it. Talk about removing the beam out of our eye. So I am very confident that we have boldness to enter into the throne of grace to obtain mercy and find grace for help in a timely need. 

BELIEVER 4: holy word for morning revival, Daniel and Zechariah, week six
The victory of the overcomers.
The overcome ours as the shining stars are the messengers of the churches, those who are one with Christ as the messenger of God and who possess the present Christ as the living and fresh message sent by God to his people. We have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to give heed as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns in the morning star rises in your hearts. Before dawning of the Lord's appearing, the morning star rises in the hearts of believers, eliminated and enlightened by giving heed to the shining word of prophecy in the Scripture.
The principle of the Lord's recovery is seen with Daniel and his companions (Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah), who were absolutely one with God in their victory over Satan's devices. We can he Jesus by eating his words and by being careful to contact me with those who call on him out of a pure heart. 

BELIEVER 1: BELIEVER 4, you shared this in three different meetings now, but you have only quoted from a book you have not shared any of your personal experience or your heart over this. 

BELIEVER 4: when we follow the Lord, we become stones for his building. God infuses us with himself as the preciousness to transform us into living and precious stones for his building. Whatever is not the true God in our regenerated spirit is an idol replacing God; whatever is not in the spirit or of the spirit is an idol. We have many idols. You know what my idol is.  For me everything being perfectly clean is idol.

BELIEVER 2: I feel to share because the Lord is starting to harmonize everything this night.  First of all I really enjoyed how the Lord is starting to work with everyone, even if we don't see how, I know the Lord is working. The fellowship of this night has started differently in one area and harmonizing another area. And now what has been talked about regarding grace mercy and forgiveness, we had talked about the overcomers, and how God does all things with us.  We have also talked about the offering of Abel, but also we are talking about how the blood of Jesus speaks better things than the blood of Abel. Concerning what you are talking about regarding the idols I was enjoying something of brother Sparks at around six o'clock this morning, if we don't have revelation regarding this we're going to hear it we are not going to digest it.  BELIEVER 4 is putting a very important point regarding idols. Yesterday I watched a video regarding what Jesus talked about  father versus what the Jews talk about the father.

BELIEVER 1: in the video are you talking about Jesus talks about the father and the Jews talk about God, or are you saying that the Jews also talk about God?

BELIEVER 2: to be able to review this we need to review the Old Testament, which was originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic.

BELIEVER 3: do you mean consider, instead of review?

BELIEVER 2: if we use the word consider we are involving ourselves into very difficult ways. 

BELIEVER 3: then let's use a better word, and not go down that road.

BELIEVER 2: spirit of God is the one who reveals the whole Scripture.

BELIEVER 3: when we talk about the spirit of God, are we talking about the father through His son?

BELIEVER 2: the spirit of God, the father, speaks in the Old Testament regarding the father. For the Jews it was prohibited to mention the name of God, neither could they make an image of God. When we see in the New Testament, Jesus is revealing the father in his person.  This is the reason why the Jews couldn't accept what Jesus was saying.  We need to understand that Scripture is not for private interpretation.  Ruah Kadesh, or the spirit of God, is the one who needs to open the Scripture. Jesus, when the spirit comes, said that the spirit would reveal all things, the spirit of God. We have Paul, and Paul prayed for the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him.

BELIEVER 3: I am remembering where Jesus said, "the spirit of truth" will reveal it. He spoke about himself as the Son of Man, at the time when he was in the flesh on the Earth.  He didn't speak about himself so much as the son of God, he spoke about himself as the Son of Man, and spoke about the spirit of truth, which is key. 

BELIEVER 2: I am going to go to the point regarding what is the most important thing that is happening right now. The Lord Jesus works in us, someone we try to put our names and say, "Jesus said," or "BELIEVER 2 said," or "BELIEVER 3 said..." I am going to say that we need to know who it is who reveals son.  And we need to know that the son lives in us.  So we need to just allowed the spirit of God....

BELIEVER 3: so we are getting back into the spirit Christ... We have the spirit of the son in us, this is very key, rather than the spirit of God.

BELIEVER 2: well we have the spirit of Christ, we have the spirit of truth... (BELIEVER 3: very key).  If we want to understand what is going on, and we talked about the blood of Jesus gives access to the father, and then BELIEVER 4 talked about what is going on in her own experience, and in her own life regarding the idols. Then we talked about the Jews how, even the name, even an image, the Jews put on the side; we need to see that in the moment the spirit starts the sanctification process with us, everything goes in the direction of him taking all of us.  In this process is what we are talking about tonight.

BELIEVER 3: I am just trying to follow the spirit of truth that Jesus is telling his disciples about... Because it Jesus speaking he is speaking about the spirit of truth, "the father seeks such to worship in spirit and in truth." I am familiar with that.  (BELIEVER 1: maybe you should develop that). The Scriptures are very clear, if we're going to do a study on this development as BELIEVER 2 was sharing, then we need to be tuned in with the Scripture and the development of this understanding.

BELIEVER 2: if we talk in this way everything is blurry, everything is not open because according to what the father proposed to reveal himself in what he wants, we have a chance to know all truth.

BELIEVER 3: well, father is the one who reveals the son, son reveals the father, and the son reveals the father to whom chooses to reveal him to.  But this is very key, Jesus was very clear about this.

BELIEVER 2: well we can read about in this, and how this applies in practicality and how the Lord unifies one another, this is what we're talking about tonight. 

BELIEVER 3: Yeah Matthew 11:25, Luke 10... This is very key. 
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

BELIEVER 2: if he reveals these things to infants, do we open ourselves to the Lord for the Lord to work in us as infants? This is the key.

BELIEVER 3: when we received the spirit of the infant Jesus, then we begin to understand.  But we haven't even gotten into that part yet, it starts out in 25, 26, and 27. So maybe we should finish that onethought it we are going to continue.  Just to have it in context. 

26 Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do. 27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one fully knows the Son except the Father, and no one fully knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

BELIEVER 2: here there are two parts. One is the father revealing the son, when the father chooses, the other is the son reaveling the father to whom he chooses.  It is easy to connect and use the things our strength, to allow the spirit of God to open everything, this is something serious. Let's go through Luke 10 also. 

21 In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou didst hide these things from the wise and understanding, and didst reveal them unto babes: yea, Father; for so it was well-pleasing in thy sight.
22 All things have been delivered unto me of my Father: and no one knoweth who the Son is, save the Father; and who the Father is, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son willeth to reveal him.

BELIEVER 1: that is amazing, I am just thinking is sometimes in the Gospels is sometimes a little different version in the verses, sometimes the Gospels will tell the same story a little bit differently, but this specific text is not too different.  Luke and Matthew both wrote this down and seems pretty clear, and it is a concept that could easily be confused, because we are easily confused about these things, but these guys were not confused about it.

BELIEVER 3: and if we want to cross-reference this with John 16:29, John has a version of this too.

BELIEVER 2: In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou didst hide these things from the wise
who hides these things from the wise? The father. And didst reveal them unto babes... Who reveals this? The father.  yea, Father; for so it was well-pleasing in thy sight.  And then the functions change again, the separation the Lord uses the father...All things have been delivered unto me of my Father: and no one knoweth who the Son is, save the Father; and who the Father is, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son willeth to reveal him.
In the first part it is the father who reveals, and in the second part it is the son who reveals.  And in 23 he says, 23 And turning to the disciples, he said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see: 24 for I say unto you, that many prophets and kings desired to see the things which ye see, and saw them not; and to hear the things which ye hear, and heard them not...The good thing of here is what we are regarding us, because privately the Lord reveals the father and the father reveals the son. 

BELIEVER 3: And the Way John talks about this... It starts in verse 23 to 29 of John chapter 16, and these prior two portions Matthew 11 and Luke 10, and is Matthew this communication of it and Luke's, are on the same subject the same thought, and now here's John on it.  So I will start with the last one verse 29, where his disciples say "Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest not in a parable." Okay.  That is the eye-opener right there. This is when Jesus reveals the father to the disciples, as was communicated back in Matthew and Luke.  So I am going to back it up a little bit and go down to 25 and say, what he had said at the beginning of the thought was... These things, as he has been speaking to them... He says, "I have spoken to you in parables. An hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in parables..." And this is so beautiful in conjunction with Matthew and Luke..." But I will report to you plainly concerning the father." Isn't this wonderful!  Verse 26, "and in that day you ask in my name, and I do not say to you that I will ask the father concerning you, because the father himself loves you because you have loved me, and you believe that it came forth out from God (the father) and have come into the world again. I am leaving the world and am going to the father..." This is where he is talking about no more parables, but now I am letting you know about the father.  And were going to go back a few verses to verse 23 and 24, because this is where it starts connecting in a functional level. In the functional part reveals what is going to happen when their eyes are opened, what they will be doing or what they will be able to do.  So in verse 23 it says, "in that day you will ask me nothing.  Truly, truly, I say unto you whatever you ask the father in my name he will give it to you.  Until now you have asked for nothing in my name.  Ask and you shall receive, that your joy may be full."  Amazing!

BELIEVER 1: I can't believe the Bible says that.

BELIEVER 3: okay, now that we have heard the old man talk, what does the new man say?

BELIEVER 1: WOW!!!!! "In that day you ask me nothing” what is he talking about?

BELIEVER 3: I love with the new man says.

BELIEVER 2: why did Jesus say that we would not ask him any? Because we're conformed to the same image as the son. Now let's go to verse 30-33
30 Now know we that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. 31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe? 32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me. 33 These things have I spoken unto you, that in me ye may have peace. In the world ye have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
And who is it that overcomes the world also, he who believes in him overcomes the world. If we don't understand, that even though Jesus revealed all these things to the disciples, and then he said will would go on after that, everyone will be scattered, and Jesus was left alone but he said that he was not alone, and then he prayed the prayer of John 17 where he revealed everything in John 17.  We can know this but to have the relationship, the Lord Jesus prayed, "that they may be one, as you father and I are one." This is the wonder of the gospel.  It is easy to have the mental knowledge of this, but to become one this is what it is about.  What I enjoyed regarding brother Sparks today is really good, because it shows how it is the father who does all things.  All things if we allow him.  But this is a serious matter, because everything in the Scriptures testimony, a confirmation, and how the Scriptures can be applied in our life, if we just allow him. 
In March 30 it Open Windows, from brother Sparks it says,
"The Son can do nothing by Himself. (John 5:19 NLT)
That is the principle of the Cross. He accepted that position of being able to do nothing out from Himself. It must all come out from God. There is no way through otherwise.... There was a revolution in my life thirty years ago when that principle of the Cross came flat up against ministry – ministry that for years I had been producing – against all my study, reading and late nights, to get up the stuff for ministry, till the whole thing became an intolerable burden in myself. Others perhaps thought it to be pretty good, but the crisis when – listen to me, men and women who are in ministry, or contemplating it – the whole turn came upon the recognition of this principle, this principle of the Cross when, with the door closed, I said to the Lord ‘I am finished in all ministry, I am never going to preach again unless You do something now. I have been doing it all these years; I have been producing this, now I am finished. You have got to do it.’ But I saw that principle, you see, as the principle of the Cross and I meant it.
Forgive me speaking of myself, but I must bring this home in some way. The next week would have seen my resignation in with my church officers, and I would have gone out from ministry if the Lord had not done it. But the Lord was true to His own principle. It was an utter end of anything that I could produce for ministry, and I meant it to be like that, because I recognized that God meant that. That was the principle of the Cross – nothing out from ourselves. No fruit that labor and study of the mind and heart could produce has a way through in the work and service of God. God was true to His own principle – He always is. From that day to this, there has been no trouble about ministry. It is easy to let ministry go, and much more easy than to accept it. This clamoring for ministry – it is uncrucified flesh. Well, there has been an open heaven since then. Again I beg your forgiveness for making this personal reference, but this is a true thing."
And it wasn't enough to just read the small portion this book, which is portion from The Cross and the Way of Life, so the Lord allowed me to go to a different part.  And there are very good parts that I want to share.  The Lord is treating us very well and this night. The Lord has also putting things in the way that he wants, and that is very good, because if we allow that he does what he wants to do everything is perfect. All of this, "the way of release," chapter 1 from The Cross and the Way of Life by Austin-Sparks.  Brother Sparks puts three Scriptures that are very good. 
"I came to cast fire upon the earth" and later it says, "Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink the cup that I drink?" and the last says, ""Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ were baptized into his death?"  This beginning is three directions that involve everything. After it says, "Give the Holy Spirit a way, and see what happens! Allow the release of the Lord, and things will be irresistible and irrepressible. Indeed, they will get beyond us and beyond us. We will not be able to cope with them." "There is a word here used later by the Lord, to which we will come presently, but it is appropriate to note it now. "How am I straitened till it be accomplished!" That word 'straitened' is very interesting in the New Testament. It is given to us in various forms. It means 'constrained', and that word is found in the gospels when the woman, pressing through the crowd with her infirmity, stretched forth her hand and touched the Lord and He turned and said, "Who touched Me?" His disciples said, "Master, the throng press Thee, how sayest Thou, Who touched Me?"
All these things are wonderful, but it is only the new man who has a chance to bear these things. The fire provocation, the fire of rejection, the fire of discrimination, and all the Lord does with us.  This is called separation, and sanctification. 

BELIEVER 3: yes, separated unto the father.  It is one thing for people to try to pray to the Lord, and I hear people pray to the Lord, . It is another thing when they pray in the name of the Lord Jesus as a son to the father.  Because the disciples, they can go ahead and pray to the Lord, but what the Lord says to them is that, "so far you have asked nothing of the father." To be at the Lord's name, as Jesus was saying to be one with him, is to live by him and live as a son. Like it was said earlier, "if we allow," if we let the Lord live it as, and we pray and his name, this is what we allow Christ to be our life.  And when we are one with the son, and then the son in us, reveals the relationship that we have with the father as the son has.  In the Recovery's teaching this is where we go into "the prayer of the age."  And this is beautiful because this is where we begin to pray one with the son to the father, and that we begin to experience the viewpoint of seeing everything through the eyes of the father.  And this is earlier in John 16, this is where we find the middle voice seeing.  And it is so beautiful because there are three places where Jesus is talking to the disciples, where he would tell them, "in a little while and you will not behold me, and then in a little while you will see me."  IN verse 18 he says the same thing again, "in a little while" and this is just before he is going to be crucified, in verse 19, "in a little while you will not behold me, and again in a little while you will see me."  The first seeing that is mentioned is in active voice in their old man, like the natural man cannot see who he is.  Then when the spirit comes from the father, he says, "now you're going to see." And that is in the middle voice. So if you look at the Greek you see him using these two verbs for "see," an active voice in the middle voice. The first time the guys are praying to Jesus, and after that once they have the spirit they are praying to the father as the son. 

BELIEVER 2: does any brother feel to share anything regarding these verses?

BELEIVER 3: it is no longer just us that prays, it is Jesus in us that prays. That gives meaning to our prayer. It is not just things to do, it is the spirit of Christ in us that speaks to us, and that prays through us by our mouth. And we have to express by our mouth, but it is him in us that speaks. It is nice, it makes sense. 

BELIEVER 2: I feel regarding your appetite concerning spiritual, I feel the enjoyment has increased since you have been near BELIEVER 3, and this is a good thing.

BELIEVER 3: we have sitting right next to each other speaking in the heart. What happened was we are coming from the brazen altar type of prayer, we are pleading the blood and mercy, and we have entered into yet in the golden altar of incense where now it is not brass anymore it is gold, and we are with the father and we are experiencing the father's heart, and we're releasing the desire of the father's heart intercessory-wise. And I just pulled out one of the old Morning Revival's, around 1999.  It is dealing with the prayer life of Christ, the effectiveness of the incense altar, and goes right into this. 

BELIEVER 5: One New Man by Witness Lee Chapter 7
Paul and the One New Man
Paul was much deeper and stronger in Judaism than Peter was. Peter was a fisherman from Galilee, but Paul was a scholar in the Jewish religion. He was taught at the feet of Gamaliel, the great Jewish teacher (Acts 22:3). In Galatians 1 Paul told us that he “advanced in Judaism beyond many contemporaries in my race” (v. 14). Paul was greatly zealous for the Jewish religion with its traditions and ordinances. Despite Paul’s strong Jewish background, he was able to tell us in 1 Corinthians 12:13 that we were all baptized into one Body, “whether Jews or Greeks.” In Galatians 3:27-28 Paul told us that those who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ and “there cannot be Jew nor Greek.” In Colossians 3:10-11 Paul told us that the Jew and the Greek have no place in the new man. For you and me to say such a word might be easy. But for Paul to speak in such a way with his deep and strong Jewish education, shows the marvelous renewing in his mentality.
Even the Apostle Paul, however, made a great mistake due to the influence of Judaism. The leading ones in the church in Jerusalem with James taking the lead told Paul to observe “how many thousands there are among the Jews who have believed, and all are zealous for the law” (Acts 21:20). These Jews were believers in Christ, yet they all still kept the ordinances. The brothers in Jerusalem were concerned because these Jews had been instructed concerning Paul that he was “teaching all the Jews throughout the nations apostasy from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children, nor to walk according to the customs” (v. 21). These Jews were typical believers in Christ, yet they still kept the ordinances, and they heard that Paul was breaking the ordinances. As a result of this, the brothers suggested that Paul participate in a Nazarite vow with four other men. They instructed Paul to do this so that all would know concerning Paul that “there is nothing to the things of which they have been instructed concerning you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the law” (v. 24). Paul was convinced by the brothers and entered into the temple to participate in the Nazarite vow.
Paul was surely clear that such a practice was of the out-of-date dispensation, which, according to the principle of his teaching in the New Testament ministry, especially in Romans and Galatians, should be repudiated in God’s New Testament economy. Yet Paul still went through with it. Paul went back to the temple, and the Lord would not allow it. When the seven days of the vow were about to be concluded, the Lord intervened in His sovereignty. He allowed Paul to be arrested by the Jews and imprisoned by the Romans. After that, in A.D. 70, the Lord sent the Roman army under Titus to completely destroy Jerusalem with the temple. This fulfilled the Lord’s prophecy in Matthew 24 when He said concerning the temple that “a stone shall by no means be left upon a stone which shall not be thrown down” (v. 2). Paul was clear when he came to Jerusalem, but the atmosphere and the environment there forced him to take the compromising proposal which would bring in a mixture that could devastate God’s New Testament economy concerning the church.

BELIEVER 2: do you brothers over there feel to continue?

BELIEVER 3: you mean the Baltimore contingency? That is an extension of the life that is in you guys and it's one with us too.  We are both a mutual contingentency. BELIEVER 1 we have a contingent plan.  If the law fails, we will live by grace.  The contingent plan is that if the first plan fails you use the other one. So we're living in the contingent plan.  The law has failed to give us life. 

BELIEVER 4: we are going to go to Ezekiel 34:11. I like a lot prophecies of Ezekiel. 
"For thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I myself, even I, will search for my sheep, and will seek them out. As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will deliver them out of all places whither they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. And I will bring them out from the peoples, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them into their own land; and I will feed them upon the mountains of Israel, by the watercourses, and in all the inhabited places of the country. I will feed them with good pasture; and upon the mountains of the height of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie down in a good fold; and on fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel. I myself will be the shepherd of my sheep, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord Jehovah.  I will seek that which was lost, and will bring back that which was driven away, (He does this every day with us) and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but the fat and the strong I will destroy; I will feed them in justice. And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I judge between sheep and sheep, the rams and the he-goats. Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have fed upon the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pasture? and to have drunk of the clear waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet? And as for my sheep, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet, and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet. Therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah unto them: Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I, Jehovah, will be their God, and my servant David prince among them; I, Jehovah, have spoken it." For the Lord we are all sheep, some are inside and some outside.  But he says that he is going to seek us, and he will be with him who cannot walk, and he will make weak him who fat and strong. God does not seek the strong but that weak. It is not seek wise, but the foolish, but God is always merciful with all of us. We are all sheep, but the Lord God gathers us all together even though we are all from different parts. We are sheep's by allowing the Lord to be our shepherd.  Because without the Lord we are not sheep, only when the Lord works in us do we become sheep. But it is not so easy to be a sheep.

BELIEVER 2: it is easy to complain.

BELIEVER 4: because we are all from different parts, we have French sheep, North American sheep, Ecuadorian sheep, but here we are all as one flock.

BELIEVER 2: according to the old creation

BELIEVER 1: do you know what "old" means? It means the same as when it says, "old things have passed away, behold all things have become new." That's what old means, that which has "passed away." It doesn't mean old, like chronologically old. It means like that which has passed away. 

BELIEVER 3: you mean because something is new, the first thing becomes old?

BELIEVER 1: yes, the old became old and was done away with because the new thing came that replaced it.

BELIEVER 3: you mean like the new thing came and in the first thing became old?

BELIEVER 1: old man wasn't old man until the new man came.

BELIEVER 3: so in other words, first we get life, and in the old things passed away.

BELIEVER 1: and it is not likeness old man keeps, but this old man that was burried, and was done's  away with. 

BELIEVER 3: like the proper context.  Like the Gentiles, he by nature recognizes that Jesus has life.  The Jews don't recognize him because they're living by the law, and they are trying to measure him according to the law.  The Gentiles just looked at him and say, "oh my gosh, this guy has got the goods... Just say a word, you don't even have to come over to the house... Just say something, and we will be healed."  And he goes, "this guy has got great things." So that is the context. Until we become the Gentiles, until we become the sheep, until we become the infants of the father, the sheep with the shepherd... Praise the Lord!  The little babies are the one that really know how to praise him. Which beautiful is that Christ is our life; he is the child, and he is the sheep that we get as an inheritance.  So we have actually inherited a childlike life.  Wonderful!  We are able to be sheep because Jesus was the lamb that was in grave, and when he comes forth from the grave we are in good shape. 
BELIEVER 1: I want to share a little bit more before I go.  The last few fellowships, I feel like as we are winding down and getting ready to go to bed, in those last few moments we really begin to touch the fringes, and hem, and really good things. But I thought, "if we really go deep what will that look like?" Will we not sleep?


BELIEVER 3: do you know what this looks like to me? Later this morning there is going to be some people that go over to the grave where Jesus was burried (night before Easter), and they are going to be looking for him.  And there is going to be a gal that ends up finding him.  There is a portion in Romans 10 where it says, "I was found by them that sought me not." Maybe you are familiar with it, maybe not. But the point is this: we don't even know what he looks like.  We would think is the gardener, on a good day. So you said to me, "I wonder what that would look like?" And I said, "well, to one person it would look like a gardener."  But when he speaks to us, then we know who he is. So what this looks like to me is, when I am around you, I am around a gardener, but when I hear Jesus come forth from you and you speak from the spirit and the release Christ to me then, "I know who you are Jesus." 

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